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bespoke radio

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for the masses headline edition july 8

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the army air force's has announced that

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a flying disc has been found and is now

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in the possession of the army

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if the game is rigged change the game

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game changer

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i occasionally think how quickly our

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differences worldwide

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would vanish if we were facing an alien

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this is fade to black with your host

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jimmy church

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on the game changer radio network and

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i need your help to get to the year

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how you doing today is thursday

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september 3rd 2020.

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we are live from a bunker somewhere in

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the middle of beautiful downtown burbank

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and i would like to welcome everybody

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listening all around the world

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all across the united states

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hither and tether to and fro back and

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this is fade to block for kjcr the game

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changer network and kg kgra the

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planets i'm your host jimmy church what

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is cracking everybody how you doing

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it is thursday it is not fader night

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tonight

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very special guest because this is egypt

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and our guest is laird scranton of

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course

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laird was supposed to be with us and was

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here with us

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on monday night we had a little uh

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equipment meltdown here in the studio

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which we promptly fixed on tuesday

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morning but

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laird so graciously accepted our

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invitation to come back tonight

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thursday all right so laird is with us

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so stand by he'll be with us at the

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bottom of the hour

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and there you go it's going to be a

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great night we had an amazing

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week this week oh man last night yousef

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ayan oh an extraordinary show uh

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live from cairo egypt just steps away

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from the great sphinx and the giza

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plateau and

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and uh so that was last night the night

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before billy carson

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and of course uh the night before that

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was larry carson uh

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laird scranton and laird is back with us

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tonight now

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but what was extraordinary for me last

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night and i really wanted to

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uh you know radio is theatrics of the

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that yusef a few times a week he wakes

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of his view of the giza plateau and it's

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just incredible you could see the sun

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coming up behind the pyramids it's just

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amazing and that's his life he's right

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there so that broadcast last night

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was from the great pyramid was from the

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great sphinx right in front of it

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night and carrying on tonight larry

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is here we have got uh a lot of images

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sharing tonight and we're gonna be

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the symbology that's right

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artwork the gods what

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was the egyptian culture

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saying to themselves and preserving for

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around the world right and how did it

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affect other cultures out there

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we're going to go through all of that

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tonight with the laird he is the

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absolute best so get ready

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and that will be uh coming at the bottom

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we will be launching episodes uh maybe

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three and four of the h factor

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this weekend so get ready for that if

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you haven't gone over to our youtube

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channel for the game changer network

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do that subscribe and uh

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uh you know two shorter ones not sure

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not sure what was that from not sure

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not sure somebody help me out help me

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out

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that was his name what's your name not

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sure he got a tattooed

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on the tattoo machine okay anyway uh i

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okay not sure last night

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something strange happened rita and i

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i mentioned to her i said uh

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uh liza minnelli was on the screen i

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said liza minnelli's mom was

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what's her name right from the wizard of

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and and rita says yeah

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and judy garland i said yeah judy

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garland right wizard of oz

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not even 10 minutes later i mean

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wasn't she judy garland in the wizard of

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oz it was like

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it was word for word it was bizarre i

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just looked at rita and she was like

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don't say anything else how does that

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phone call

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it was also uh very bizarre okay moving

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this weekend

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uh the next episode or episodes of the h

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factor are gonna launch get ready for

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that and uh carolyn ford

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i want you to go over to einstein the

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check out what she has available for

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you imprinted skulls from

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einstein the ancient skull of knowledge

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that's right go there now look at

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today all right all right we've got an

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amazing week

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lined up next week for fade to black

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man and it's thursday and normally i

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leak it but man it's

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next week is going to be extraordinary

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all right get ready for that oh

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uh i'm just looking here on twitter

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follow me on twitter at jchurchradio

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hashtag f2b

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is the sandbox and uh kevin just posted

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uh four pictures screen grabs

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you guys can you tell the t-shirt that

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can you tell can you tell what the

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t-shirt is

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check it out it's the little alien

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i got me a little alien t-shirt

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that's right rachel nevada in the house

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how cool is that my egyptian hieroglyph

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that's funny that is funny okay

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all right the sandbox is hashtag f2b

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on twitter you can go and join in there

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we have two chat rooms open one over

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at spreaker when a kg are a the planet

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we've got everybody over on youtube

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causing trouble hello youtube

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hello uh facebook uh where else are we

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tune in of course kg r a talk stream

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live hello to everybody out there and uh

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tonight's gonna be a great show

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email is jimmy at jimmy

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jimmychurchradio.com

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all right let's get straight to the

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breaking news

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astronomers have discovered a new solar

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the gw you ready

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orionis yep orionis

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system which contains three stars

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and is located 1300 light years away

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from earth in the

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orion constellation each star

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each star there's three stars in the

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solar system each star

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has its own ring of planets

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with the largest ring on the outside

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surrounding the inner two which

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are offset and the planets are running

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in the other direction at an angle it's

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and it's a guaranteed off-the-hook

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sunrise and sunset

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one of those planets think about that

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inner ring you got an inner ring and

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cockeyed right so you have

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three suns planets running in their own

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yeah that is that is really really

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releases on this that are

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going around right now on the web now

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i've got news about

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the new batman film because robert

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patterson has tested positive for the

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coronavirus causing

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filming of the batman the new film was

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to be halted just days after the studio

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resumed work outside of london

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warner brothers would not comment on any

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workers health sharing only this

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statement quote

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a member of the batman production has

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tested positive for kovit 19 and is

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in accordance to established protocols

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filming is temporarily paused but it has

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been factually fact checked

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it is robert patterson the production

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previously shut down along with most

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other entertainment industry work back

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when the quarantine lockdown first hit

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paterson's representatives had did not

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immediately return a request for

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comment now you may have seen this

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maybe not david blaine back in the news

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david blaine just managed to do what you

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know many of us dream of

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right flying up in the air holding on to

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a bunch of balloons

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the illusionist floated over the arizona

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desert yesterday by holding on to

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about 50 helium balloons

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right like this except

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rope with one hand

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as is in the video

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no he was connected with the body

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harness he had safety stuff he had a

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cable go

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he he he could have been up there with

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his hand like this

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but he you know right okay all right all

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of this was revealed when he let go of

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to put on his parachute which came down

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anything puts on his parachute although

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his initial goal

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was to reach an altitude of about 18 000

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feet he ended up floating to 24

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900 feet or about 4.7 miles holy crap

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before skydiving and parachuting back to

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the ground i like david don't get me

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wrong

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i had street what was that street magic

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or whatever that show

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that was good he's got great card hands

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for sure

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this was just uh well i'm not sure how

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to put it

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this was just a balloon illusion

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there you go crazier than i am though

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i'd never do it

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ahead of a slew of new missions

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to earth's natural satellite

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researchers have detected a bizarre and

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unexpected anomaly

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on the lunar surface of the moon

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that's right the airless liquid water

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free

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moon is wait for it

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rusting the puzzle of the discovery

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totally crazy has its roots back in 2008

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when the indian space research

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organization's chandrayaan-1 orbiter

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surveyed the moon's surface and

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discovered

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water ice it wasn't until recently that

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schwa lee

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of the university of hawaii and his

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fellow researchers discovered

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signatures in the data matching iron

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oxide

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hematite a form of rust that normally

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requires the presence of both

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oxygen and water now here's the trippy

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part

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for iron to rust it needs an oxidizer

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but thanks to solar wind from the sun

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the lunar surface is bombarded with

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hydrogen

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the exact opposite of an oxidizer

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known as a reducer which adds electrons

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rather than taking them away from

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materials

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it interacts with so why is our moon

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rusting we don't know

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but soon it won't be called blue or

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silver

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it's gonna be called red

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yeah all right let's get over to the

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crazy news of the day facebook

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has promised to thwart efforts to

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disrupt the united states presidential

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elections

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by prohibiting new political ads a week

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before the vote

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and labeling premature victory claims in

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the hope of stopping

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civil unrest before it starts

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i'm not making this up

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the social media be a moth

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listen to this is teaming up with

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reuters

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to flag premature claims of victory and

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redirect voters to

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i'm quoting here authoritative

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information

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about election results and quote all of

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this according to ceo mark

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zuckerberg as he announced in a post

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today

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outlining what are supposed to be the

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platform's last

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election related rule changes

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zuckerberg added that authoritative

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uh information from facebook's voting

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information center

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will be situated at the top of the

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facebook and instagram

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interface almost every day until the

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election

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end quote including how to videos on

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voting by mail and registration

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deadlines

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instagram is also owned by facebook by

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the way

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this is my creepy news story of the day

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let's get this show cracking happy

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birthday to today

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sex pistols oh gee steve jones

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today is 65.

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i can't believe what what i'm about to

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say next but that is

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doug pinnock bass player and singer of

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kings x

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today is 70 years old i can't even i

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can't i

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just i i can't believe that over my head

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one of the greatest songs in rock

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history right there

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doug pinick happy birthday 70 years old

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man over my head i i tried to learn

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over my head back in the day and it's

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such

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um it sounds so simple

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but it is a complicated timing and

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groove

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thing and he makes it sound so easy

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right doug pinick thin lizzy founding

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member and guitarist

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eric bell today is 73 years old

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our dead guy's birthday today is freddy

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king 1934-1976

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died at the age of 42. freddie recorded

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several hits for federal records back in

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the 1960s

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his soulful and powerful voice and

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distinctive guitar style inspired many

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musicians and guitarists including

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myself

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he was inducted into the rock and roll

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hall of fame in 2012.

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nearly constant touring took its toll on

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king

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he was on the road almost 300 days out

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of the year

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in 1976 his health quickly deteriorated

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and he died on december 28th of

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complications from stomach ulcers

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and acute pancreatitis

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at uh the age of 42

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pancreatitis i should say unbelievable

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wow just incredible incredible voice

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incredible guitar player

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he had that texas that texas blues thing

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but he combined it with chicago

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did it so well so well all right on this

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day in history

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1777 the stars and stripes

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the american flag flies for the first

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time during a revolutionary war skirmish

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at cooch's bridge in delaware

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fader fact yeah i love doing this

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argentina invaded the british island of

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southern thule in 1976

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the island was uninhabited and is so

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remote

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that the british weren't aware of the

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invasion

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for over a month that's right

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and then a few months later the brits

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showed up

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replaced the flag and left

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and that is your fader fact

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yeah all right tonight larry scranton is

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here i'm gonna hit this

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river moon coffee and i got something to

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say

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[Music]

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rivermooncoffee.com

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[Laughter]

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i like my coffee doc

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i do river mooncoffee.com

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fade to black blend all right

454
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as we wind down another egypt a week

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here on fade to black it seems that i

456
00:22:27,110 --> 00:22:23,200
always come back to the same

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general conclusion what would humanity

458
00:22:31,590 --> 00:22:30,320
the world be like today if egypt had

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00:22:35,029 --> 00:22:31,600
continued their pride

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00:22:37,750 --> 00:22:35,039
progress on all fronts technology art

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00:22:41,350 --> 00:22:37,760
government math and science

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00:22:44,310 --> 00:22:41,360
where would we be today you see from

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3000 bc to 2000 bc

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00:22:48,310 --> 00:22:47,360
they were firing on all cylinders almost

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out of the gate

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00:22:54,950 --> 00:22:51,760
at the very beginning they were a fully

467
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upright and functioning society

468
00:23:01,510 --> 00:22:59,039
by 1500 bc things started to decline

469
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one thousand years later yes one

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thousand years

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we see the rise of greece in 660 bc rome

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was still a collection of mud huts at

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this point it would be another 200 years

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before the real

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rome started to form as great

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as greece and rome would become they

477
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only eclipsed what egypt was

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able to do nearly 2

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000 years before

480
00:23:35,350 --> 00:23:32,080
think about that so once again

481
00:23:38,870 --> 00:23:35,360
it's just simple math

482
00:23:42,630 --> 00:23:38,880
you see from the death of cleopatra to

483
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now that's about 2 000 years

484
00:23:46,230 --> 00:23:44,400
we all know what happened during that

485
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time and

486
00:23:50,549 --> 00:23:48,799
it was the last 200 year period where

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most of that magic happened the steam

488
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engine the industrial revolution

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electricity flight jet engines and the

490
00:23:58,470 --> 00:23:55,840
atomic age

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well and of course we got van halen too

492
00:24:02,830 --> 00:23:59,120
as well

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00:24:05,750 --> 00:24:02,840
wanna throw that in there what if

494
00:24:10,789 --> 00:24:05,760
egypt what if egypt was

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able to run its course to continue

496
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would we have gone to the moon a

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thousand years ago

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00:24:23,909 --> 00:24:20,789
egypt fell apart so did greece

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so did rome and then the dark ages

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gripped the earth

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between the fall of ancient rome in 476

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a.d

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in the beginning of the 14th century

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europeans made few advances in science

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and art

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there was little or no regard for greek

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and roman philosophies

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and learning anything about egypt

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00:24:47,269 --> 00:24:44,799
it was impossible because egypt was all

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00:24:50,390 --> 00:24:47,279
but forgotten

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it was definitely a hard reset

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that's right the dark ages it was a

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do-over

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to get back where we were

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at 1500 bc in egypt

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you need to think about that it wasn't

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until the renaissance

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when things started to get back on track

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so i

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00:25:22,470 --> 00:25:18,799
ask you where would we be today

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00:25:25,669 --> 00:25:22,480
if egypt kept the ball rolling

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the answer is a simple one where will we

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be

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in a thousand years right time travel

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00:25:35,830 --> 00:25:32,720
conquered faster than light tech

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answered and done colonizing the milky

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00:25:38,070 --> 00:25:36,720
way

528
00:25:39,830 --> 00:25:38,080
all you gotta do is just book your

529
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tickets

530
00:25:46,470 --> 00:25:42,960
that's where we would be today

531
00:25:47,750 --> 00:25:46,480
we were that close this time around we

532
00:25:52,310 --> 00:25:47,760
need to learn

533
00:25:55,029 --> 00:25:52,320
in the past

534
00:25:57,029 --> 00:25:55,039
we can't make the same mistakes again we

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00:26:00,470 --> 00:25:57,039
can't afford another dark ages

536
00:26:05,110 --> 00:26:00,480
and you know the old saying right all

537
00:26:11,190 --> 00:26:08,310
this is the key thing right there

538
00:26:11,750 --> 00:26:11,200
this is the key thing that egypt taught

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00:26:15,669 --> 00:26:11,760
us

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which is hey dudes

541
00:26:20,470 --> 00:26:18,080
don't let what happened to us happen to

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00:26:27,669 --> 00:26:23,590
we are on the very edge of discovering

543
00:26:31,269 --> 00:26:27,679
everything we are here we truly are

544
00:26:35,269 --> 00:26:31,279
right now and once again we are doing

545
00:26:37,269 --> 00:26:35,279
everything in our power to blow it

546
00:26:40,310 --> 00:26:37,279
it's like we're predestined to just

547
00:26:43,510 --> 00:26:40,320
screw things up

548
00:26:45,430 --> 00:26:43,520
it really makes you wonder you know and

549
00:26:46,870 --> 00:26:45,440
if you think about it if you really

550
00:26:50,070 --> 00:26:46,880
think about it

551
00:26:52,230 --> 00:26:50,080
and this is this is my this is my

552
00:26:55,590 --> 00:26:52,240
polluted mind this is how my

553
00:26:58,710 --> 00:26:55,600
brain works because

554
00:27:00,230 --> 00:26:58,720
i can only imagine that there will be a

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00:27:03,029 --> 00:27:00,240
history class

556
00:27:04,230 --> 00:27:03,039
in a few thousand years from now and the

557
00:27:06,630 --> 00:27:04,240
teacher's gonna step

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00:27:08,070 --> 00:27:06,640
up in front of everybody and go okay

559
00:27:11,750 --> 00:27:08,080
class

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00:27:15,669 --> 00:27:11,760
all right here we go

561
00:27:17,029 --> 00:27:15,679
in today's lesson we'll talk about the

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00:27:20,789 --> 00:27:17,039
dark ages

563
00:27:23,909 --> 00:27:20,799
that started in 2020 and lasted for

564
00:27:27,430 --> 00:27:23,919
about a thousand years

565
00:27:30,870 --> 00:27:27,440
that's what's gonna happen will we

566
00:27:32,830 --> 00:27:30,880
be the next civilization to fail

567
00:27:34,070 --> 00:27:32,840
now i'm gonna say it now you've been

568
00:27:37,430 --> 00:27:34,080
warned

569
00:27:43,669 --> 00:27:37,440
we

570
00:27:47,029 --> 00:27:43,679
again time and time again

571
00:27:48,310 --> 00:27:47,039
and we were forced into looking at the

572
00:27:50,870 --> 00:27:48,320
united states and going hey you know

573
00:27:54,149 --> 00:27:50,880
what man no it's too cool here

574
00:27:57,110 --> 00:27:54,159
we've got it so together it's just

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gonna last forever you know what the

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ussr thought the same thing

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and so did greece so did rome and

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certainly so did

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egypt need to think about that

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portugal spain you need to think about

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that the united kingdom

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need to really really think about that

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are we setting ourselves up all you have

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to do

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is is realize and admit

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the past and know that we

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could actually right now screw things up

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royally

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and we can't we're so close

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had egypt stayed on track kept the ball

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rolling

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where would we be today

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it's amazing isn't it i'm your host

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jimmy church this is fade to black

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tonight

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on this program laird scranton

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laird scranton we're going to be talking

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about all of the things

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egypt that involve symbology symbology

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of the temples

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the sights the gods and the artwork

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of ancient egypt all that and much more

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we got a great presentation laid out for

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you

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all right welcome back fade to black i

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am your host jimmy church tonight

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laird scranton that's right

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it's night four supposed to be night

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three

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he was supposed to be night one

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i don't know man i don't know but laird

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accepted our invitation

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to come back and do a do-over

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that's right tonight is night four of

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our egypt week here on paid to black

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we're gonna be discussing with laird

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the symbology of the temples the sights

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the gods and the artwork of ancient

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egypt

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laird is an independent software

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designer he became interested in

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dogan mythology and symbolism back in

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the early 1990s he has studied ancient

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myth language and cosmology since 1997

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and has been a lecture at colgate

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university

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his work includes articles published in

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the university of chicago's anthropology

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news academic journal

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in temple university's encyclopedia of

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african religion

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and in the vassar quarterly magazine

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his book the science of the dogon was

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taught at colgate university under the

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title

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hidden meanings a study of the founding

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symbols of

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civilization he has been interviewed on

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a variety of radio programs around the

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world including coast to coast am and

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fade to black

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and is a featured speaker on ancient

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mysteries he has

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also appeared and i say it all the time

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one of the greatest documentary series

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ever john anthony west magical egypt

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i would like to welcome back to fade to

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black for our do-over

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layered scranton laird once again good

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evening how are you

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hey jimmy i'm doing good i'm very glad

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you managed to get your

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your technical issues solved what uh

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what you know you know this is in in a

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strange way

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you know that's live radio lair that's

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just live radio

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and i tried to hold it together i was

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just like

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i tried to hold it together and and

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00:35:22,390 --> 00:35:19,359
technical snafus here are

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rare uh but they do happen and

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00:35:26,390 --> 00:35:24,640
it it happened right when you and i were

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just hitting our stride

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so there you go so you know what that

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00:35:31,829 --> 00:35:30,000
you know what that uh it gives me a

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00:35:33,750 --> 00:35:31,839
chance to do

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00:35:35,109 --> 00:35:33,760
what's that i get to ask the same

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question again

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00:35:42,230 --> 00:35:38,480
and see if you give the same answer

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00:35:45,270 --> 00:35:42,240
i get a do-over on how i answer it yeah

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00:35:45,910 --> 00:35:45,280
which is this it's a really simple

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question

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00:35:49,349 --> 00:35:48,480
and i think that all of this think about

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this

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what is it about egypt that grabs

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our imagination why are we so attracted

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to

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well from the perspective of the

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traditions that i study

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00:36:11,589 --> 00:36:09,359
the dogans say that their teachers were

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concerned about how to attract humanity

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to knowledge

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they understood that people don't learn

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things easily as a matter of fact the

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dogan

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uh say that trying to instruct somebody

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is like trying to tug on wild grass it

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tugs back

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and they actually refer to themselves

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jokingly as a wild grass

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because they understand that's the

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nature of of knowledge

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so ancient egypt does some really

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interesting things

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in that it presents such an abiding

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mystery

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that that humans can't look away from it

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00:36:46,950 --> 00:36:46,320
that over a period of how many centuries

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now have

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has ancient egypt attracted the the

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focus and attention of

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of people all over the world you know

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high level uh

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00:37:01,190 --> 00:36:58,000
academics and um you know

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00:37:04,550 --> 00:37:01,200
any major figure in the 1800s was was

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interested in ancient egypt um

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00:37:08,630 --> 00:37:06,160
anyone who ever went on a tour of

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ancient egypt or modern egypt with my

801
00:37:12,550 --> 00:37:10,400
friend john anthony west came away a

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00:37:15,430 --> 00:37:12,560
changed person

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00:37:16,950 --> 00:37:15,440
yeah there's no question about it and

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00:37:24,790 --> 00:37:16,960
the

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00:37:28,550 --> 00:37:24,800
discussing all of this tonight of course

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00:37:29,670 --> 00:37:28,560
but symbology works at a few different

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levels

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00:37:36,630 --> 00:37:33,200
it you may be attracted to a face

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00:37:39,670 --> 00:37:36,640
or art or a doorway because of its

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00:37:43,190 --> 00:37:39,680
aesthetic value right okay right that's

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one impact then there's the subconscious

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00:37:47,190 --> 00:37:43,839
where your

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00:37:50,150 --> 00:37:47,200
brain is working in the background

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00:37:52,390 --> 00:37:50,160
on what you are viewing and then

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possibly making sense of that later and

816
00:37:55,190 --> 00:37:54,000
you don't even know that that's going on

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00:37:58,550 --> 00:37:55,200
do you

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00:38:00,470 --> 00:37:58,560
right i mean the subliminal level is uh

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is something really interesting another

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thing that people

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um play have played with over the the

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decades

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is um on what levels can knowledge be

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communicated or actions induced

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subliminally

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absolutely absolutely it's like software

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right right and um

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the ancient egypt egyptians were just um

829
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masters added in every in every way i

830
00:38:31,270 --> 00:38:29,599
remember sitting on a um

831
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a panel discussion one time and the

832
00:38:34,630 --> 00:38:33,599
question was asked of john anthony west

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00:38:37,109 --> 00:38:34,640
robert boval

834
00:38:39,109 --> 00:38:37,119
and a number of other people about why

835
00:38:40,310 --> 00:38:39,119
do you suppose the ancient egyptians

836
00:38:43,829 --> 00:38:40,320
built with

837
00:38:45,349 --> 00:38:43,839
massive stones and

838
00:38:47,270 --> 00:38:45,359
boval answered the question from the

839
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perspective of an engineer

840
00:38:53,750 --> 00:38:50,560
he said look an engineer works with

841
00:38:56,150 --> 00:38:53,760
a material because he can that there's

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00:38:58,390 --> 00:38:56,160
some advantage

843
00:39:00,550 --> 00:38:58,400
in working with largest there must have

844
00:39:01,910 --> 00:39:00,560
been some advantage mechanically

845
00:39:04,069 --> 00:39:01,920
in working with largest stones in

846
00:39:07,270 --> 00:39:04,079
ancient times

847
00:39:07,990 --> 00:39:07,280
john's point of view was they do it for

848
00:39:09,910 --> 00:39:08,000
a fact

849
00:39:11,750 --> 00:39:09,920
that you could have exactly the same

850
00:39:12,630 --> 00:39:11,760
temple structure built out of everyday

851
00:39:14,230 --> 00:39:12,640
bricks

852
00:39:15,990 --> 00:39:14,240
and it would not have anywhere close to

853
00:39:17,349 --> 00:39:16,000
the same effect as the temple structure

854
00:39:20,630 --> 00:39:17,359
built out of 710

855
00:39:22,790 --> 00:39:20,640
700 ton blocks you know that it has

856
00:39:25,030 --> 00:39:22,800
an impact on just being there in that

857
00:39:25,829 --> 00:39:25,040
space has an impact on the person who's

858
00:39:28,950 --> 00:39:25,839
standing there

859
00:39:30,950 --> 00:39:28,960
and what did you say well

860
00:39:32,870 --> 00:39:30,960
i have a more complicated point of view

861
00:39:35,349 --> 00:39:32,880
because i see interactions

862
00:39:37,829 --> 00:39:35,359
from the non-material and i see those

863
00:39:41,190 --> 00:39:37,839
interactions being connected to

864
00:39:43,670 --> 00:39:41,200
a slowing time frame

865
00:39:44,950 --> 00:39:43,680
and i can imagine seeing a progression

866
00:39:48,230 --> 00:39:44,960
from early egypt

867
00:39:49,910 --> 00:39:48,240
to later times of a decreasing size of

868
00:39:52,470 --> 00:39:49,920
these blocks

869
00:39:54,150 --> 00:39:52,480
that it's thinkable that someone on the

870
00:39:57,990 --> 00:39:54,160
non-material side

871
00:40:00,150 --> 00:39:58,000
could only access a minimum size

872
00:40:02,630 --> 00:40:00,160
because of relationships of time that in

873
00:40:04,309 --> 00:40:02,640
the in what took them a second you know

874
00:40:04,630 --> 00:40:04,319
the smallest possible moment they could

875
00:40:07,589 --> 00:40:04,640
take

876
00:40:07,990 --> 00:40:07,599
action in the smallest chunk they could

877
00:40:11,510 --> 00:40:08,000
grab

878
00:40:14,630 --> 00:40:11,520
was 700 tons wow that's heavy

879
00:40:16,870 --> 00:40:14,640
oh no pun intended

880
00:40:18,150 --> 00:40:16,880
so over the time as those time frames

881
00:40:21,190 --> 00:40:18,160
shift as buddhism

882
00:40:24,069 --> 00:40:21,200
implies that they do that it could be

883
00:40:25,589 --> 00:40:24,079
that those that assistance or those

884
00:40:28,630 --> 00:40:25,599
influences

885
00:40:31,349 --> 00:40:28,640
were able to grab smaller chunks

886
00:40:32,470 --> 00:40:31,359
progressively smaller chunks and so the

887
00:40:33,990 --> 00:40:32,480
structures

888
00:40:35,510 --> 00:40:34,000
suddenly were being built with smaller

889
00:40:38,790 --> 00:40:35,520
and smaller blocks

890
00:40:42,309 --> 00:40:38,800
i'm i'm so interested in knowing

891
00:40:44,950 --> 00:40:42,319
uh from my guests when

892
00:40:46,230 --> 00:40:44,960
when they first had contact with these

893
00:40:49,030 --> 00:40:46,240
subjects

894
00:40:51,109 --> 00:40:49,040
and tonight we're talking about egypt do

895
00:40:53,829 --> 00:40:51,119
you remember the first time

896
00:40:54,870 --> 00:40:53,839
that you saw something egyptian and what

897
00:40:57,910 --> 00:40:54,880
that was

898
00:41:00,150 --> 00:40:57,920
and its effect on you

899
00:41:01,030 --> 00:41:00,160
i remember my the earliest memory i have

900
00:41:07,829 --> 00:41:01,040
of

901
00:41:08,309 --> 00:41:07,839
symbolism was there was a an annual art

902
00:41:11,190 --> 00:41:08,319
fair

903
00:41:11,910 --> 00:41:11,200
in a uh at a art gallery across the

904
00:41:14,069 --> 00:41:11,920
street from

905
00:41:15,829 --> 00:41:14,079
where i lived in salem oregon there's a

906
00:41:16,390 --> 00:41:15,839
park that every summer would hold an art

907
00:41:18,870 --> 00:41:16,400
fair

908
00:41:20,069 --> 00:41:18,880
and my siblings and i would um man

909
00:41:23,510 --> 00:41:20,079
tables at the art prayer

910
00:41:25,990 --> 00:41:23,520
and uh there was a a vaz with

911
00:41:27,750 --> 00:41:26,000
um greek symbols all over it and i was

912
00:41:28,470 --> 00:41:27,760
fascinated by that i remember that was

913
00:41:32,069 --> 00:41:28,480
my first

914
00:41:33,990 --> 00:41:32,079
um introduction ancient egypt

915
00:41:35,589 --> 00:41:34,000
is a little trickier i don't have a

916
00:41:36,870 --> 00:41:35,599
clear image of the first time i was

917
00:41:38,950 --> 00:41:36,880
aware of egyptian

918
00:41:40,950 --> 00:41:38,960
um symbols or symbolism or the first

919
00:41:42,630 --> 00:41:40,960
time that they became important

920
00:41:44,710 --> 00:41:42,640
but uh it seems like they've been there

921
00:41:47,670 --> 00:41:44,720
all the time and you can't grow up in

922
00:41:48,870 --> 00:41:47,680
in this world without being aware of

923
00:41:52,630 --> 00:41:48,880
ancient egypt

924
00:41:56,150 --> 00:41:52,640
yeah and and for me it was

925
00:41:59,109 --> 00:41:56,160
the mummy with boris karloff all right

926
00:42:00,710 --> 00:41:59,119
yeah that's pretty pivotal yeah it was i

927
00:42:03,270 --> 00:42:00,720
mean for all of us right

928
00:42:05,430 --> 00:42:03,280
but do you do you remember his name in

929
00:42:07,750 --> 00:42:05,440
the movie

930
00:42:09,109 --> 00:42:07,760
no i knew it once and i can't call off

931
00:42:12,790 --> 00:42:09,119
the top of my head right now

932
00:42:16,069 --> 00:42:12,800
he was imhotep yeah

933
00:42:18,870 --> 00:42:16,079
uh the architect right and

934
00:42:21,430 --> 00:42:18,880
so that's pretty interesting in itself

935
00:42:22,630 --> 00:42:21,440
but that allowed me to go and i was

936
00:42:24,470 --> 00:42:22,640
young you know i'm five

937
00:42:26,230 --> 00:42:24,480
six years old but i'm trying to figure

938
00:42:28,870 --> 00:42:26,240
out mummies in

939
00:42:30,710 --> 00:42:28,880
egypt and and things and it started me

940
00:42:34,069 --> 00:42:30,720
on my path but then there was something

941
00:42:37,030 --> 00:42:34,079
else uh that i think

942
00:42:37,990 --> 00:42:37,040
really aside from the roaring 20s and

943
00:42:41,829 --> 00:42:38,000
that period

944
00:42:43,670 --> 00:42:41,839
of uh egypt art and flair that grabbed

945
00:42:45,670 --> 00:42:43,680
the entire planet right everybody was

946
00:42:47,829 --> 00:42:45,680
dressing and driving and

947
00:42:50,550 --> 00:42:47,839
fixing up their homes building buildings

948
00:42:53,030 --> 00:42:50,560
with you know egyptian motifs but

949
00:42:55,030 --> 00:42:53,040
um it was uh in the middle of the 70s

950
00:42:56,630 --> 00:42:55,040
when king tut's exhibit came to the

951
00:42:58,069 --> 00:42:56,640
united states uh in the middle of that

952
00:43:01,510 --> 00:42:58,079
world tour

953
00:43:04,230 --> 00:43:01,520
and i remember and everywhere was

954
00:43:05,510 --> 00:43:04,240
you know the gold coffin you know the

955
00:43:07,270 --> 00:43:05,520
the face

956
00:43:08,950 --> 00:43:07,280
and you looked at that and i was

957
00:43:11,430 --> 00:43:08,960
probably 10 years old

958
00:43:12,390 --> 00:43:11,440
when when that was happening but you

959
00:43:14,309 --> 00:43:12,400
look at that

960
00:43:15,510 --> 00:43:14,319
and especially at my age and you just

961
00:43:18,470 --> 00:43:15,520
think to yourself

962
00:43:19,910 --> 00:43:18,480
that's impossible it's impossible to

963
00:43:23,109 --> 00:43:19,920
make something that beautiful

964
00:43:24,950 --> 00:43:23,119
today yesterday or 5 000 years ago it

965
00:43:26,470 --> 00:43:24,960
doesn't matter it's impossible to make

966
00:43:29,670 --> 00:43:26,480
something that perfect

967
00:43:30,630 --> 00:43:29,680
but the egyptians did and they did it so

968
00:43:33,430 --> 00:43:30,640
long ago

969
00:43:34,870 --> 00:43:33,440
it's absolutely incredible yeah and

970
00:43:37,430 --> 00:43:34,880
what's interesting is

971
00:43:39,589 --> 00:43:37,440
the most perfect examples are from the

972
00:43:42,470 --> 00:43:39,599
earliest periods in egypt things got

973
00:43:44,069 --> 00:43:42,480
uh things degraded over time that i i

974
00:43:46,390 --> 00:43:44,079
went to an art museum

975
00:43:48,950 --> 00:43:46,400
uh exhibit of early egyptian artifacts

976
00:43:52,550 --> 00:43:48,960
with john anthony west uh back in the

977
00:43:53,510 --> 00:43:52,560
uh 2000s and uh there were examples

978
00:43:57,109 --> 00:43:53,520
there of things we

979
00:43:59,510 --> 00:43:57,119
that we can't explain stone

980
00:44:01,430 --> 00:43:59,520
vases carved in a way so that the

981
00:44:04,390 --> 00:44:01,440
interior of the vase

982
00:44:07,109 --> 00:44:04,400
was um i mean the the neck of the vase

983
00:44:09,670 --> 00:44:07,119
was narrower than the interior was

984
00:44:11,670 --> 00:44:09,680
what kind of a tool using ultra hard

985
00:44:13,670 --> 00:44:11,680
materials stone materials

986
00:44:16,950 --> 00:44:13,680
could they have used to carve that out

987
00:44:19,270 --> 00:44:16,960
in that in a perfect fashion

988
00:44:20,950 --> 00:44:19,280
an artifact that hasn't been repeated in

989
00:44:22,550 --> 00:44:20,960
later eras of egypt

990
00:44:24,550 --> 00:44:22,560
yeah and you know we were talking about

991
00:44:27,109 --> 00:44:24,560
those last night on the show

992
00:44:28,790 --> 00:44:27,119
and john anthony west brought this up so

993
00:44:32,069 --> 00:44:28,800
many times

994
00:44:35,270 --> 00:44:32,079
and it's really a simple fact the

995
00:44:37,670 --> 00:44:35,280
the the pyramids are incredible they are

996
00:44:38,950 --> 00:44:37,680
the the ancient sites around egypt are

997
00:44:45,430 --> 00:44:38,960
incredible

998
00:44:48,710 --> 00:44:45,440
are those stone vases as

999
00:44:51,510 --> 00:44:48,720
equally as impactful because they

1000
00:44:52,710 --> 00:44:51,520
are impossible to make and this is the

1001
00:44:56,550 --> 00:44:52,720
thing

1002
00:44:59,829 --> 00:44:56,560
they made them by the tens of thousands

1003
00:45:02,470 --> 00:44:59,839
they're everywhere so obviously

1004
00:45:03,510 --> 00:45:02,480
you know whether it was you know marble

1005
00:45:06,309 --> 00:45:03,520
or granite

1006
00:45:07,030 --> 00:45:06,319
or diorite you know these impossible

1007
00:45:10,230 --> 00:45:07,040
stones

1008
00:45:13,270 --> 00:45:10,240
uh basil you know to carve out of

1009
00:45:14,150 --> 00:45:13,280
um it was easy for them and they were

1010
00:45:19,910 --> 00:45:14,160
perfect

1011
00:45:21,349 --> 00:45:19,920
and then somehow knowledge degraded

1012
00:45:23,510 --> 00:45:21,359
after that over time

1013
00:45:24,870 --> 00:45:23,520
how do you explain how do you explain

1014
00:45:27,349 --> 00:45:24,880
that and

1015
00:45:29,430 --> 00:45:27,359
probably a more important question is

1016
00:45:32,950 --> 00:45:29,440
where would we be today laird

1017
00:45:35,750 --> 00:45:32,960
if if egypt was allowed to continue

1018
00:45:37,349 --> 00:45:35,760
their rise with technology and art and

1019
00:45:38,790 --> 00:45:37,359
science

1020
00:45:41,109 --> 00:45:38,800
would we have been on the moon a

1021
00:45:43,589 --> 00:45:41,119
thousand years ago

1022
00:45:46,150 --> 00:45:43,599
i i don't really think so i it's clear

1023
00:45:48,550 --> 00:45:46,160
to me that someone in ancient times had

1024
00:45:51,510 --> 00:45:48,560
deep knowledge of science we can see it

1025
00:45:53,349 --> 00:45:51,520
demonstrated in a lot of different ways

1026
00:45:55,109 --> 00:45:53,359
the problem is from an academic point of

1027
00:45:58,870 --> 00:45:55,119
view there's no

1028
00:46:00,230 --> 00:45:58,880
viable candidate for that there's nobody

1029
00:46:03,750 --> 00:46:00,240
that we can propose

1030
00:46:06,470 --> 00:46:03,760
as the conveyors of that knowledge

1031
00:46:08,550 --> 00:46:06,480
that anybody in an academic position is

1032
00:46:11,430 --> 00:46:08,560
going to accept

1033
00:46:12,790 --> 00:46:11,440
there's no answer to that question that

1034
00:46:14,950 --> 00:46:12,800
that meets

1035
00:46:16,390 --> 00:46:14,960
modern academic standards john was the

1036
00:46:18,470 --> 00:46:16,400
one who um

1037
00:46:20,790 --> 00:46:18,480
would rail against the idea we were

1038
00:46:23,829 --> 00:46:20,800
presented in our educational system

1039
00:46:25,109 --> 00:46:23,839
with the idea that humanity has been an

1040
00:46:28,630 --> 00:46:25,119
ongoing progression

1041
00:46:30,790 --> 00:46:28,640
from poorer to better you know to less

1042
00:46:31,910 --> 00:46:30,800
less intelligent to more intelligent

1043
00:46:34,470 --> 00:46:31,920
unbroken

1044
00:46:36,550 --> 00:46:34,480
uh progression since uh ancient times

1045
00:46:40,230 --> 00:46:36,560
that were the pinnacle of

1046
00:46:41,670 --> 00:46:40,240
of that learning but that's completely

1047
00:46:43,430 --> 00:46:41,680
the opposite of what we actually see

1048
00:46:44,870 --> 00:46:43,440
when we dig down into it and we pay

1049
00:46:46,069 --> 00:46:44,880
attention to them yeah i would argue

1050
00:46:48,390 --> 00:46:46,079
very perfect first

1051
00:46:49,589 --> 00:46:48,400
yeah i would i would argue that point

1052
00:46:52,309 --> 00:46:49,599
with john

1053
00:46:54,309 --> 00:46:52,319
it's an interesting take and he's not

1054
00:46:55,910 --> 00:46:54,319
with us and i almost feel

1055
00:46:57,910 --> 00:46:55,920
like i should be struck by lightning

1056
00:47:01,270 --> 00:46:57,920
just by saying something like that

1057
00:47:04,870 --> 00:47:01,280
but but the when we

1058
00:47:07,030 --> 00:47:04,880
consider uh the rise and fall of

1059
00:47:08,150 --> 00:47:07,040
different civilizations uh around the

1060
00:47:09,670 --> 00:47:08,160
world throughout history

1061
00:47:11,990 --> 00:47:09,680
we can certainly see that and it's

1062
00:47:15,670 --> 00:47:12,000
documented but

1063
00:47:17,750 --> 00:47:15,680
uh between uh 1500 bc

1064
00:47:19,270 --> 00:47:17,760
which was the beginning of the decline

1065
00:47:22,950 --> 00:47:19,280
of of egypt

1066
00:47:26,230 --> 00:47:22,960
all the way through uh to the dark ages

1067
00:47:26,870 --> 00:47:26,240
um it took that long for everything to

1068
00:47:29,750 --> 00:47:26,880
recover

1069
00:47:30,549 --> 00:47:29,760
and during that time greece falls rome

1070
00:47:32,549 --> 00:47:30,559
falls

1071
00:47:34,470 --> 00:47:32,559
then we go into the dark ages and it's

1072
00:47:36,309 --> 00:47:34,480
not until the renaissance until we got

1073
00:47:37,750 --> 00:47:36,319
our feet back on the ground

1074
00:47:40,309 --> 00:47:37,760
right that's right and we certainly have

1075
00:47:43,349 --> 00:47:40,319
seen progress since then

1076
00:47:44,470 --> 00:47:43,359
but the kind of example that i'm talking

1077
00:47:47,589 --> 00:47:44,480
about is

1078
00:47:51,990 --> 00:47:47,599
socrates felt like the dogan do

1079
00:47:55,109 --> 00:47:52,000
that written language was a decline from

1080
00:47:57,109 --> 00:47:55,119
oral tradition from spoken language uh

1081
00:47:59,030 --> 00:47:57,119
the dogan have deliberately not

1082
00:48:00,710 --> 00:47:59,040
adopted a written language because they

1083
00:48:01,910 --> 00:48:00,720
look down their noses at it they say

1084
00:48:04,150 --> 00:48:01,920
this is a way of

1085
00:48:06,150 --> 00:48:04,160
misrepresenting information that the

1086
00:48:08,950 --> 00:48:06,160
person you want to learn from

1087
00:48:10,150 --> 00:48:08,960
is the expert in the subject imagine if

1088
00:48:12,710 --> 00:48:10,160
you wanted to learn

1089
00:48:14,549 --> 00:48:12,720
how to bind leather bound books and you

1090
00:48:16,150 --> 00:48:14,559
had a choice between

1091
00:48:18,630 --> 00:48:16,160
learning it out of a book or learning it

1092
00:48:19,109 --> 00:48:18,640
off the internet or learning it directly

1093
00:48:20,710 --> 00:48:19,119
from

1094
00:48:22,710 --> 00:48:20,720
the person who had been doing it for 30

1095
00:48:23,829 --> 00:48:22,720
years right this is the apprentice

1096
00:48:26,870 --> 00:48:23,839
system that

1097
00:48:28,069 --> 00:48:26,880
that you know trained people master

1098
00:48:31,510 --> 00:48:28,079
crafts people for

1099
00:48:33,109 --> 00:48:31,520
for centuries um but once we lost that

1100
00:48:35,030 --> 00:48:33,119
apprentice system then

1101
00:48:36,549 --> 00:48:35,040
suddenly craftsmanship goes downhill

1102
00:48:38,549 --> 00:48:36,559
yeah that's true but

1103
00:48:39,990 --> 00:48:38,559
that would be hard to apply in something

1104
00:48:42,870 --> 00:48:40,000
like physics

1105
00:48:44,549 --> 00:48:42,880
right chemistry but no but still you

1106
00:48:47,270 --> 00:48:44,559
want to be learning at the feet

1107
00:48:48,069 --> 00:48:47,280
or of the person who truly understands

1108
00:48:50,790 --> 00:48:48,079
the subject

1109
00:48:53,349 --> 00:48:50,800
right uh i was one of the early male

1110
00:48:55,990 --> 00:48:53,359
co-eds at basser college and one of the

1111
00:48:58,230 --> 00:48:56,000
the philosophies that pervaded that

1112
00:49:00,309 --> 00:48:58,240
college when i was there was

1113
00:49:01,990 --> 00:49:00,319
when you you want to know something when

1114
00:49:04,230 --> 00:49:02,000
you or you have a problem you need to

1115
00:49:05,990 --> 00:49:04,240
solve go to the person at the top who

1116
00:49:07,430 --> 00:49:06,000
who thoroughly understands it and has

1117
00:49:10,470 --> 00:49:07,440
the authority to

1118
00:49:11,190 --> 00:49:10,480
to solve it for you and so during my

1119
00:49:13,510 --> 00:49:11,200
early work

1120
00:49:14,870 --> 00:49:13,520
with the dogan symbolism i was looking

1121
00:49:16,470 --> 00:49:14,880
for

1122
00:49:17,990 --> 00:49:16,480
some astronomer who had knowledge of

1123
00:49:21,829 --> 00:49:18,000
african skylor

1124
00:49:24,790 --> 00:49:21,839
and so it occurred to me that

1125
00:49:26,309 --> 00:49:24,800
one of the alumni had i had access to

1126
00:49:29,349 --> 00:49:26,319
from basket college was a woman named

1127
00:49:31,829 --> 00:49:29,359
vera rubin who discovered dark matter

1128
00:49:32,870 --> 00:49:31,839
where she helped discover dark matter

1129
00:49:35,750 --> 00:49:32,880
and

1130
00:49:37,270 --> 00:49:35,760
i had her email address i had her phone

1131
00:49:39,270 --> 00:49:37,280
number i had her address

1132
00:49:41,270 --> 00:49:39,280
so i contacted her and i asked her if

1133
00:49:42,870 --> 00:49:41,280
she could to help me with that and she

1134
00:49:46,790 --> 00:49:42,880
put me in contact with

1135
00:49:50,870 --> 00:49:46,800
febre mudepe a south african

1136
00:49:53,589 --> 00:49:50,880
astronomer who was very well versed in

1137
00:49:54,870 --> 00:49:53,599
african sky lore he's also been

1138
00:49:57,750 --> 00:49:54,880
instrumental in

1139
00:49:58,950 --> 00:49:57,760
trying to preserve ancient texts in mali

1140
00:50:03,829 --> 00:49:58,960
during the upheaval

1141
00:50:05,990 --> 00:50:03,839
the military are people there well

1142
00:50:08,390 --> 00:50:06,000
if we back up for a second staying on

1143
00:50:12,870 --> 00:50:08,400
the same path of course but

1144
00:50:16,470 --> 00:50:12,880
if uh if we can mark in the timeline

1145
00:50:19,990 --> 00:50:16,480
and it's pretty well documented 1550 bc

1146
00:50:23,510 --> 00:50:20,000
to around uh 1600 bc

1147
00:50:25,910 --> 00:50:23,520
uh heading out of uh the

1148
00:50:27,589 --> 00:50:25,920
middle and new kingdom and and into the

1149
00:50:31,510 --> 00:50:27,599
next phase of

1150
00:50:32,390 --> 00:50:31,520
uh the dynastic uh situation there in

1151
00:50:35,190 --> 00:50:32,400
egypt

1152
00:50:35,589 --> 00:50:35,200
that's where the decline started was

1153
00:50:40,390 --> 00:50:35,599
that

1154
00:50:42,309 --> 00:50:40,400
control

1155
00:50:43,990 --> 00:50:42,319
i think it was i think that clearly

1156
00:50:45,750 --> 00:50:44,000
relates to

1157
00:50:47,349 --> 00:50:45,760
planetary upheaval that happened at that

1158
00:50:49,910 --> 00:50:47,359
moment there are

1159
00:50:51,030 --> 00:50:49,920
all sorts of scientific effects that

1160
00:50:53,510 --> 00:50:51,040
have been measured

1161
00:50:55,030 --> 00:50:53,520
at about that boundary looks like it's

1162
00:50:59,349 --> 00:50:55,040
connected with uh

1163
00:51:03,349 --> 00:50:59,359
the massive eruption of the volcano

1164
00:51:05,510 --> 00:51:03,359
thera santorini

1165
00:51:06,870 --> 00:51:05,520
all sorts of things happen it's a major

1166
00:51:08,710 --> 00:51:06,880
fluctuation in the

1167
00:51:10,549 --> 00:51:08,720
magnetic field of the earth there's

1168
00:51:14,710 --> 00:51:10,559
major climate change

1169
00:51:17,990 --> 00:51:16,470
changes according to ancient egypt that

1170
00:51:20,230 --> 00:51:18,000
that may be one of the periods where the

1171
00:51:22,309 --> 00:51:20,240
egyptians talk about

1172
00:51:23,829 --> 00:51:22,319
the sun rising where it formerly set so

1173
00:51:25,589 --> 00:51:23,839
you have the implication of possible

1174
00:51:28,630 --> 00:51:25,599
change in tilt of the axis

1175
00:51:30,150 --> 00:51:28,640
of the earth at some point um so major

1176
00:51:32,069 --> 00:51:30,160
things were going on

1177
00:51:33,589 --> 00:51:32,079
at at that period that i think were

1178
00:51:37,109 --> 00:51:33,599
completely beyond egypt's

1179
00:51:40,150 --> 00:51:37,119
control well there was uh uh there's a

1180
00:51:41,270 --> 00:51:40,160
philosophical bent to this too as well

1181
00:51:44,309 --> 00:51:41,280
which is

1182
00:51:46,069 --> 00:51:44,319
uh well in the military where he had

1183
00:51:47,750 --> 00:51:46,079
you know the hittites and you had you

1184
00:51:49,349 --> 00:51:47,760
know persians and of course later

1185
00:51:51,109 --> 00:51:49,359
you know the greeks and the romans but

1186
00:51:53,910 --> 00:51:51,119
it was a constant

1187
00:51:55,510 --> 00:51:53,920
uh change of attitude in egypt where

1188
00:51:58,950 --> 00:51:55,520
they went from

1189
00:52:01,270 --> 00:51:58,960
a a relatively peaceful society that

1190
00:52:03,270 --> 00:52:01,280
didn't really think about war

1191
00:52:05,670 --> 00:52:03,280
or they you know invading another

1192
00:52:07,510 --> 00:52:05,680
country they were focused on religion

1193
00:52:09,990 --> 00:52:07,520
and personal growth

1194
00:52:11,910 --> 00:52:10,000
um art and of course agriculture and

1195
00:52:14,950 --> 00:52:11,920
government and religion and

1196
00:52:16,470 --> 00:52:14,960
and and their gods but they were focused

1197
00:52:19,670 --> 00:52:16,480
on the self

1198
00:52:23,109 --> 00:52:19,680
and suddenly they had to focus on

1199
00:52:25,270 --> 00:52:23,119
uh getting these invasion forces back

1200
00:52:27,109 --> 00:52:25,280
out of the country in which some cases

1201
00:52:30,390 --> 00:52:27,119
took hundreds of years

1202
00:52:33,030 --> 00:52:30,400
and that would stall

1203
00:52:35,349 --> 00:52:33,040
uh growth wouldn't it of of knowledge

1204
00:52:38,390 --> 00:52:35,359
and and technology where they had to

1205
00:52:40,150 --> 00:52:38,400
change their attitude there right

1206
00:52:41,510 --> 00:52:40,160
clearly they were distracted with other

1207
00:52:45,030 --> 00:52:41,520
things

1208
00:52:47,270 --> 00:52:45,040
yeah and uh it took this is

1209
00:52:48,470 --> 00:52:47,280
this is what i find interesting and then

1210
00:52:50,870 --> 00:52:48,480
we're going to back up and

1211
00:52:52,950 --> 00:52:50,880
and start looking at uh we're going to

1212
00:52:55,910 --> 00:52:52,960
start with gobekli tapi

1213
00:52:58,309 --> 00:52:55,920
um is that we're talking about a time

1214
00:53:01,589 --> 00:52:58,319
span here that most people don't

1215
00:53:02,069 --> 00:53:01,599
really uh understand we are talking

1216
00:53:05,190 --> 00:53:02,079
about

1217
00:53:07,030 --> 00:53:05,200
thousands of years right where you know

1218
00:53:10,390 --> 00:53:07,040
if you start at 3000 bc

1219
00:53:13,349 --> 00:53:10,400
and you go to cleopatra that's a 3

1220
00:53:14,390 --> 00:53:13,359
000 the united states is 250 years old

1221
00:53:16,950 --> 00:53:14,400
right right

1222
00:53:18,710 --> 00:53:16,960
just do it now and it's even a wider

1223
00:53:21,829 --> 00:53:18,720
span than that because if you

1224
00:53:22,950 --> 00:53:21,839
if you we accept or at least entertain

1225
00:53:25,589 --> 00:53:22,960
the idea

1226
00:53:28,950 --> 00:53:25,599
you know robert beauvolt's idea that the

1227
00:53:31,589 --> 00:53:28,960
three large pyramids at giza point to

1228
00:53:32,069 --> 00:53:31,599
the belt stars of orion at 10 000 bc

1229
00:53:34,549 --> 00:53:32,079
that's right

1230
00:53:38,390 --> 00:53:34,559
the idea that the sphinx then faced the

1231
00:53:40,230 --> 00:53:38,400
constellation of leo in that same era

1232
00:53:41,829 --> 00:53:40,240
a researcher like me only has two

1233
00:53:45,190 --> 00:53:41,839
choices

1234
00:53:46,549 --> 00:53:45,200
in entertaining that idea one is that

1235
00:53:49,270 --> 00:53:46,559
the alignments were placed

1236
00:53:50,309 --> 00:53:49,280
at ten thousand bc when they could

1237
00:53:52,470 --> 00:53:50,319
actually see those

1238
00:53:53,990 --> 00:53:52,480
those astronomical bodies in the places

1239
00:53:56,309 --> 00:53:54,000
they were supposed to be

1240
00:53:58,430 --> 00:53:56,319
or the other is that at some later

1241
00:54:00,790 --> 00:53:58,440
period someone had the capability of

1242
00:54:02,710 --> 00:54:00,800
retrospectively calculating what the

1243
00:54:04,549 --> 00:54:02,720
alignment should have been which is

1244
00:54:06,790 --> 00:54:04,559
something i don't really buy i don't see

1245
00:54:08,230 --> 00:54:06,800
evidence that anybody was in a position

1246
00:54:11,510 --> 00:54:08,240
to calculate that

1247
00:54:14,150 --> 00:54:11,520
so my best guess is that at least those

1248
00:54:16,390 --> 00:54:14,160
placements were set at 10 000 bc

1249
00:54:17,829 --> 00:54:16,400
which means the egyptian history goes

1250
00:54:20,870 --> 00:54:17,839
back at least that far

1251
00:54:24,950 --> 00:54:20,880
well what do we do with that because i

1252
00:54:26,710 --> 00:54:24,960
try to i try to be a little bit sensible

1253
00:54:28,870 --> 00:54:26,720
here in discussing this in other words

1254
00:54:31,910 --> 00:54:28,880
not going too far outside of the box

1255
00:54:35,990 --> 00:54:31,920
i i don't respect the dogma

1256
00:54:37,430 --> 00:54:36,000
i don't but um i have to base

1257
00:54:39,190 --> 00:54:37,440
everything on something because when

1258
00:54:40,230 --> 00:54:39,200
somebody hears my statements they're

1259
00:54:41,910 --> 00:54:40,240
going to go back

1260
00:54:43,990 --> 00:54:41,920
and do their own research and look at

1261
00:54:48,630 --> 00:54:44,000
timelines right

1262
00:54:51,829 --> 00:54:48,640
certainly uh we know that at 3000 bc

1263
00:54:54,870 --> 00:54:51,839
the egyptians rolled out of the desert

1264
00:54:56,950 --> 00:54:54,880
completely upright and complete

1265
00:54:57,910 --> 00:54:56,960
right and that just that doesn't happen

1266
00:54:59,670 --> 00:54:57,920
on its own

1267
00:55:02,309 --> 00:54:59,680
but we kind of have to leave that to the

1268
00:55:03,829 --> 00:55:02,319
side or or should we start to

1269
00:55:05,349 --> 00:55:03,839
think and speak about this in other

1270
00:55:08,870 --> 00:55:05,359
terms

1271
00:55:09,750 --> 00:55:08,880
well um the broad perspective i'm

1272
00:55:13,589 --> 00:55:09,760
working from

1273
00:55:15,430 --> 00:55:13,599
comes out of um samkhya which is a

1274
00:55:16,789 --> 00:55:15,440
foundational philosophy of creation

1275
00:55:19,030 --> 00:55:16,799
traditions in india

1276
00:55:21,510 --> 00:55:19,040
and it looks to me as if it it's at the

1277
00:55:23,589 --> 00:55:21,520
bottom of the delgan tradition also

1278
00:55:25,589 --> 00:55:23,599
the dogan and the buddhists talk about

1279
00:55:30,470 --> 00:55:25,599
eras of instruction where

1280
00:55:33,910 --> 00:55:30,480
humanity was deliberately taught

1281
00:55:35,750 --> 00:55:33,920
the dogans say there was a intentional

1282
00:55:37,349 --> 00:55:35,760
instruction of a civilizing plan for

1283
00:55:40,470 --> 00:55:37,359
humanity that was tagged

1284
00:55:42,470 --> 00:55:40,480
to a symbolic cosmology and

1285
00:55:44,630 --> 00:55:42,480
i can see one era of instruction at

1286
00:55:47,750 --> 00:55:44,640
gobekli tepe around 10 000

1287
00:55:49,349 --> 00:55:47,760
bc and another era of instruction many

1288
00:55:51,589 --> 00:55:49,359
thousands of years later in northern

1289
00:55:54,870 --> 00:55:51,599
scotland on orkney island around

1290
00:55:56,309 --> 00:55:54,880
3200 bc and immediately following that

1291
00:56:00,069 --> 00:55:56,319
3200 era

1292
00:56:02,069 --> 00:56:00,079
of instruction we see agriculturally

1293
00:56:04,150 --> 00:56:02,079
based kingships arise

1294
00:56:06,150 --> 00:56:04,160
against a background a backdrop of what

1295
00:56:09,270 --> 00:56:06,160
looks like no history

1296
00:56:12,950 --> 00:56:09,280
all around the world we see it in egypt

1297
00:56:14,309 --> 00:56:12,960
in a society that one one of the ancient

1298
00:56:18,150 --> 00:56:14,319
names given to it was

1299
00:56:21,670 --> 00:56:18,160
taru we see it in china

1300
00:56:24,230 --> 00:56:21,680
called eru we see it in ireland

1301
00:56:26,630 --> 00:56:24,240
called aru and we see it in south

1302
00:56:29,910 --> 00:56:26,640
america called peru

1303
00:56:30,549 --> 00:56:29,920
and these are terms these are phonetic

1304
00:56:34,150 --> 00:56:30,559
values

1305
00:56:35,829 --> 00:56:34,160
that in the cosmological um terminology

1306
00:56:37,190 --> 00:56:35,839
refer to cardinal points the four

1307
00:56:40,950 --> 00:56:37,200
cardinal points

1308
00:56:42,510 --> 00:56:40,960
um they also refer to four progressive

1309
00:56:45,910 --> 00:56:42,520
stages of

1310
00:56:46,230 --> 00:56:45,920
agriculture so there's a perspective to

1311
00:56:48,470 --> 00:56:46,240
think

1312
00:56:50,069 --> 00:56:48,480
that the reason egypt hit the ground

1313
00:56:53,109 --> 00:56:50,079
running at 3000 bc

1314
00:56:55,829 --> 00:56:53,119
is because someone as in china

1315
00:56:58,789 --> 00:56:55,839
as in ireland and as in south america

1316
00:57:00,549 --> 00:56:58,799
had been deliberately instructed

1317
00:57:02,309 --> 00:57:00,559
and had the capability to hit the ground

1318
00:57:05,510 --> 00:57:02,319
running

1319
00:57:07,829 --> 00:57:05,520
and is it is it go beckley teppy that

1320
00:57:10,309 --> 00:57:07,839
gives you the freedom to go there

1321
00:57:12,470 --> 00:57:10,319
i mean without gobekli tapi do we even

1322
00:57:14,870 --> 00:57:12,480
have this discussion

1323
00:57:16,549 --> 00:57:14,880
well we do because the the evidence that

1324
00:57:18,390 --> 00:57:16,559
on orkney is so compelling

1325
00:57:20,150 --> 00:57:18,400
and there are other other places besides

1326
00:57:21,990 --> 00:57:20,160
orkney

1327
00:57:25,270 --> 00:57:22,000
that i'll talk about in an upcoming book

1328
00:57:27,109 --> 00:57:25,280
i have a a book that i plan to

1329
00:57:29,030 --> 00:57:27,119
self-publish towards the end of this

1330
00:57:31,750 --> 00:57:29,040
year that traces

1331
00:57:33,670 --> 00:57:31,760
how the orkney tradition arose from the

1332
00:57:35,990 --> 00:57:33,680
gobekli tepe tradition

1333
00:57:37,750 --> 00:57:36,000
but in sorting that out all sorts of

1334
00:57:39,030 --> 00:57:37,760
other pieces fall into place for other

1335
00:57:43,190 --> 00:57:39,040
cultures and other

1336
00:57:46,950 --> 00:57:43,200
other mysteries well does that timeline

1337
00:57:51,349 --> 00:57:46,960
fall in between 3000 bc

1338
00:57:55,670 --> 00:57:51,359
and uh you know the beginning of

1339
00:57:59,270 --> 00:57:55,680
the kings of egypt and 10 000 bc

1340
00:58:02,470 --> 00:57:59,280
or 12 that you know 7 000 years earlier

1341
00:58:05,670 --> 00:58:02,480
uh than than giza

1342
00:58:07,510 --> 00:58:05,680
right or the the path that i'm i'm

1343
00:58:10,470 --> 00:58:07,520
pursuing in this next book

1344
00:58:12,230 --> 00:58:10,480
is ranges from around 10 000 bc to

1345
00:58:14,870 --> 00:58:12,240
around 2600 bc

1346
00:58:15,990 --> 00:58:14,880
right right right fascinating and like i

1347
00:58:17,430 --> 00:58:16,000
said we need to start

1348
00:58:19,190 --> 00:58:17,440
you know talking about things in these

1349
00:58:22,789 --> 00:58:19,200
terms um

1350
00:58:24,710 --> 00:58:22,799
clearly and you can we can thank

1351
00:58:26,230 --> 00:58:24,720
robert shock and john anthony west for

1352
00:58:29,349 --> 00:58:26,240
this though um

1353
00:58:30,549 --> 00:58:29,359
because they're dust up right they're

1354
00:58:32,630 --> 00:58:30,559
dust up

1355
00:58:34,390 --> 00:58:32,640
with the geologists and egyptologists

1356
00:58:35,829 --> 00:58:34,400
back in 1992

1357
00:58:37,910 --> 00:58:35,839
where the statements were made at the

1358
00:58:40,789 --> 00:58:37,920
press conference show was something

1359
00:58:43,030 --> 00:58:40,799
show us anything before egypt and then

1360
00:58:44,630 --> 00:58:43,040
we can talk about it but until then

1361
00:58:46,710 --> 00:58:44,640
right that's right that go back to the

1362
00:58:50,069 --> 00:58:46,720
tepe site absolutely knock the slats out

1363
00:58:51,750 --> 00:58:50,079
of that argument that's it that's it

1364
00:58:53,030 --> 00:58:51,760
and it's not just go back to pepe there

1365
00:58:53,990 --> 00:58:53,040
are other sites content can

1366
00:58:55,670 --> 00:58:54,000
contemporaneously

1367
00:58:58,309 --> 00:58:55,680
go back to chapli tepe there's one at

1368
00:58:59,910 --> 00:58:58,319
mardin which is located not too far

1369
00:59:02,789 --> 00:58:59,920
from go back to tempe that actually has

1370
00:59:04,630 --> 00:59:02,799
some features in common with the orkney

1371
00:59:06,309 --> 00:59:04,640
the later orkney tradition and there's

1372
00:59:09,829 --> 00:59:06,319
now a bangkukulu

1373
00:59:13,349 --> 00:59:09,839
tarla which again it very close to

1374
00:59:16,630 --> 00:59:13,359
gobekli tepi and i've looked at

1375
00:59:19,109 --> 00:59:16,640
as much as i can out there on the web

1376
00:59:20,630 --> 00:59:19,119
it this is something that is just now

1377
00:59:23,270 --> 00:59:20,640
starting to uh

1378
00:59:25,430 --> 00:59:23,280
to get out there but that's about as in

1379
00:59:26,789 --> 00:59:25,440
it's older than gobekli tepe and it's

1380
00:59:29,270 --> 00:59:26,799
just as intriguing

1381
00:59:31,589 --> 00:59:29,280
it is a beautiful sight and it's right

1382
00:59:34,230 --> 00:59:31,599
there and it wasn't supposed to exist

1383
00:59:35,510 --> 00:59:34,240
right and they don't really know why it

1384
00:59:37,109 --> 00:59:35,520
exists i mean the

1385
00:59:40,150 --> 00:59:37,119
the structures they see at go back to

1386
00:59:41,670 --> 00:59:40,160
pepe predate the first evidence they

1387
00:59:43,030 --> 00:59:41,680
have for the tools that were needed to

1388
00:59:46,069 --> 00:59:43,040
build it

1389
00:59:48,549 --> 00:59:46,079
by 7 000 years by the way well by by

1390
00:59:49,430 --> 00:59:48,559
a period of at least a period of time

1391
00:59:52,390 --> 00:59:49,440
that

1392
00:59:53,430 --> 00:59:52,400
the the site is is inexplicable to them

1393
00:59:54,789 --> 00:59:53,440
that there should be

1394
00:59:56,390 --> 00:59:54,799
a progression of course it could just be

1395
00:59:58,549 --> 00:59:56,400
that we haven't uncovered it yet but

1396
00:59:59,990 --> 00:59:58,559
there should be we would expect to see

1397
01:00:01,990 --> 01:00:00,000
a progression of development before

1398
01:00:04,630 --> 01:00:02,000
those go back to tepe

1399
01:00:06,150 --> 01:00:04,640
region sites that so far we don't see

1400
01:00:07,910 --> 01:00:06,160
let's take our break right here our

1401
01:00:09,190 --> 01:00:07,920
guest tonight laird scranton when we

1402
01:00:11,589 --> 01:00:09,200
come back

1403
01:00:12,470 --> 01:00:11,599
you ask for it you're gonna get it when

1404
01:00:16,549 --> 01:00:12,480
we come back

1405
01:00:21,510 --> 01:00:16,559
we're gonna discuss purses louis vuitton

1406
01:00:29,090 --> 01:00:23,430
we'll be right back after this short

1407
01:00:39,370 --> 01:00:29,100
break stay with us

1408
01:00:39,900 --> 01:00:39,380
[Music]

1409
01:00:48,069 --> 01:00:39,910
[Applause]

1410
01:00:50,230 --> 01:00:48,079
[Music]

1411
01:00:52,630 --> 01:00:50,240
this is fade to black with jimmy church

1412
01:00:57,589 --> 01:00:52,640
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night four of our egypt week here on

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my favorite thing to talk about and that

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person to talk about it with is laird

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scranton laird is with us tonight

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and now i have posted up four images

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uh that laird has sent us and they're

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right there in the twitter feed if you

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want to see them follow me on twitter i

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right there and we're gonna be talking

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about purses yes

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and a subject that has been discussed

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many times on the show because

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quite frankly larry everybody sees them

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we haven't really been able to figure

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out what is going on

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01:06:36,230 --> 01:06:35,119
what let's actually start here with um

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image number one

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is a drawing uh and let's

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let's start there it's examples of what

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well actually let's let's move forward

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to the second image because that's

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really in time where we want to start

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okay with uh go back to tapi that's i go

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back to tepe

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okay now one of the the big difficulties

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with trying to talk about go back to

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tepe is

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10 000 bc is like 7 000 years

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before the first written text so there's

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no way in that era for anybody to

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have passed along to us a definitive

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statement of what they meant by anything

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01:07:13,990 --> 01:07:13,440
so we're having to guess about it but in

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that era

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the way the symbolic system works is

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they

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confirm meaning by saying the same thing

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over and over again in different ways

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and that's what we see it go back to

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deputy we see

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one concept being repeated again and

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again and again

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in different symbolic ways now the

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concept

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relates to the idea of a sanctuary and

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the sanctuary

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um in sort of the root definition of a

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sanctuary

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it cosmologically is a place where

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non-materiality and materiality come

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together

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now there are different metaphors that

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are used

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associated with non-materiality and

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materiality yeah let's stay right there

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01:07:57,750 --> 01:07:56,240
let's stay right there for a second and

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clearly define

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what uh what you're referring to okay

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circularity is associated with the

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non-material

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in many different ancient cultures that

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a figure of a circle a geometric figure

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of a circle

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implies non-materiality when we're

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talking about ancient symbolism

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the figure of a square is associated

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with materiality

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now if you want to understand why a

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circle is a one-sided figure and

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non-materiality

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is associated with unity a figure of a

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square is a four-sided figure and

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materiality is associated with four

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dimensions

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okay so non-material

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uh that's that's a complicated question

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01:08:52,709 --> 01:08:49,839
the idea the uh samkhya says

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01:08:54,390 --> 01:08:52,719
universes form in pairs and that one of

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them is non-material and the other one

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01:08:58,950 --> 01:08:55,920
is material

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01:08:59,430 --> 01:08:58,960
that basically concepts of physics and

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time

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and matter that we experience happen in

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01:09:09,030 --> 01:09:04,839
a different way non-materially than

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materially so a sanctuary is a place

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01:09:13,510 --> 01:09:11,759
okay samkhya says that there's a cycle

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of energy that flows

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between from non-materiality to

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01:09:21,030 --> 01:09:17,520
materiality and back again

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01:09:23,510 --> 01:09:21,040
it's a cycle like a year as a cycle um

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01:09:24,709 --> 01:09:23,520
take the dog and compare it to the water

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01:09:27,430 --> 01:09:24,719
cycle on the earth where

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01:09:28,789 --> 01:09:27,440
water evaporates and rises up forms

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01:09:30,870 --> 01:09:28,799
clouds that rise up over the mountains

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01:09:32,070 --> 01:09:30,880
that create rain to flow back to the sea

1634
01:09:34,910 --> 01:09:32,080
if you didn't have that cycle you

1635
01:09:38,229 --> 01:09:34,920
wouldn't have life on the earth so

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01:09:41,590 --> 01:09:38,239
non-material you can't touch

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01:09:44,789 --> 01:09:41,600
and material you can touch right

1638
01:09:48,709 --> 01:09:44,799
and samkhya says non-materiality has

1639
01:09:51,749 --> 01:09:48,719
perfect knowledge but no ability to act

1640
01:09:53,749 --> 01:09:51,759
and materiality has imperfect knowledge

1641
01:09:56,229 --> 01:09:53,759
with full ability to act

1642
01:09:57,830 --> 01:09:56,239
and so there are routine attempts being

1643
01:09:59,510 --> 01:09:57,840
made to induce actions

1644
01:10:01,750 --> 01:09:59,520
and convey knowledge you know from the

1645
01:10:04,550 --> 01:10:01,760
non-material to the material

1646
01:10:05,189 --> 01:10:04,560
as part of the cycle of energy okay so

1647
01:10:07,189 --> 01:10:05,199
now

1648
01:10:10,149 --> 01:10:07,199
a sanctuary is the place where those two

1649
01:10:12,550 --> 01:10:10,159
domains are supposed to come together

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01:10:14,470 --> 01:10:12,560
now one way of representing that is by

1651
01:10:17,030 --> 01:10:14,480
squaring a circle

1652
01:10:19,030 --> 01:10:17,040
that you can reconcile the idea of those

1653
01:10:21,270 --> 01:10:19,040
two domains by combining finding a way

1654
01:10:23,110 --> 01:10:21,280
to combine a square with a circle

1655
01:10:25,750 --> 01:10:23,120
and that's what the three handbag shapes

1656
01:10:29,189 --> 01:10:25,760
do have to go back to tepe

1657
01:10:32,870 --> 01:10:29,199
uh pillar here as we see

1658
01:10:35,830 --> 01:10:32,880
see i just see a purse holding something

1659
01:10:37,270 --> 01:10:35,840
but that's that is not the case well

1660
01:10:39,030 --> 01:10:37,280
that also is the case there

1661
01:10:40,310 --> 01:10:39,040
there are multiple levels to this

1662
01:10:43,110 --> 01:10:40,320
there's also

1663
01:10:43,990 --> 01:10:43,120
um reasons why the dugan cosmology is

1664
01:10:47,350 --> 01:10:44,000
called the basket

1665
01:10:48,070 --> 01:10:47,360
cosmology and why baskets are associated

1666
01:10:49,750 --> 01:10:48,080
with knowledge

1667
01:10:51,590 --> 01:10:49,760
if you go to the maori tradition much

1668
01:10:54,229 --> 01:10:51,600
later there's a myth

1669
01:10:56,390 --> 01:10:54,239
of a departmental god named tane who

1670
01:10:58,790 --> 01:10:56,400
ascends to the gods and returns back

1671
01:11:02,390 --> 01:10:58,800
with three baskets of knowledge

1672
01:11:05,669 --> 01:11:02,400
now going back directly to

1673
01:11:06,870 --> 01:11:05,679
this particular pillar at gobackley tepe

1674
01:11:08,470 --> 01:11:06,880
that uh

1675
01:11:09,910 --> 01:11:08,480
everybody can go and see right now in

1676
01:11:12,390 --> 01:11:09,920
the twitter feed

1677
01:11:13,030 --> 01:11:12,400
we've got the three what we're calling

1678
01:11:15,750 --> 01:11:13,040
purses

1679
01:11:17,189 --> 01:11:15,760
um on the top of the pillar but you just

1680
01:11:18,550 --> 01:11:17,199
mentioned the circle right the

1681
01:11:21,750 --> 01:11:18,560
non-material

1682
01:11:23,590 --> 01:11:21,760
that is also there being held up by a

1683
01:11:25,590 --> 01:11:23,600
buzzard it looks like

1684
01:11:27,189 --> 01:11:25,600
is there anything we'll get back to that

1685
01:11:29,030 --> 01:11:27,199
a little bit later about what

1686
01:11:30,390 --> 01:11:29,040
the symbolism of that is because it's

1687
01:11:31,910 --> 01:11:30,400
also pertinent

1688
01:11:33,910 --> 01:11:31,920
but is not immediately pertinent to what

1689
01:11:37,350 --> 01:11:33,920
we're talking about gotcha

1690
01:11:39,270 --> 01:11:37,360
okay now these three you can see that

1691
01:11:41,990 --> 01:11:39,280
these handbags create three dome

1692
01:11:42,950 --> 01:11:42,000
shapes well in the era shortly after go

1693
01:11:46,630 --> 01:11:42,960
back to tepe

1694
01:11:49,990 --> 01:11:46,640
in in the region of iraq three domes

1695
01:11:52,070 --> 01:11:50,000
were an icon for a sanctuary site called

1696
01:11:53,430 --> 01:11:52,080
chaitis

1697
01:11:55,430 --> 01:11:53,440
that that was a characteristic that

1698
01:11:57,030 --> 01:11:55,440
defined them if that if you

1699
01:11:59,110 --> 01:11:57,040
if you were to go and dig one up and

1700
01:12:01,750 --> 01:11:59,120
look at the remains of it

1701
01:12:03,910 --> 01:12:01,760
um archaeologists understand that these

1702
01:12:08,149 --> 01:12:03,920
were dome structures that defined these

1703
01:12:10,630 --> 01:12:08,159
sanctuaries so um

1704
01:12:12,470 --> 01:12:10,640
so that's the outlook to begin with now

1705
01:12:15,270 --> 01:12:12,480
if we back up to the first

1706
01:12:17,830 --> 01:12:15,280
image that you have here what we're

1707
01:12:19,110 --> 01:12:17,840
looking at are the earliest forms of

1708
01:12:22,149 --> 01:12:19,120
shrines in ancient

1709
01:12:23,750 --> 01:12:22,159
egypt at the bottom left

1710
01:12:25,189 --> 01:12:23,760
we see a structure that's really a

1711
01:12:29,590 --> 01:12:25,199
wicker structure

1712
01:12:32,630 --> 01:12:29,600
it's a portable shrine called a seh

1713
01:12:34,229 --> 01:12:32,640
and it combines that same circular top

1714
01:12:37,430 --> 01:12:34,239
with a squared bottom

1715
01:12:40,470 --> 01:12:37,440
it was used to house icons

1716
01:12:42,709 --> 01:12:40,480
in other traditions ancient china

1717
01:12:44,390 --> 01:12:42,719
ancient japan there were certain

1718
01:12:47,030 --> 01:12:44,400
religious icons that were so

1719
01:12:47,590 --> 01:12:47,040
secretive they were only allowed to be

1720
01:12:49,430 --> 01:12:47,600
housed

1721
01:12:51,510 --> 01:12:49,440
in portable shrines it could be moved

1722
01:12:54,550 --> 01:12:51,520
quickly now is this

1723
01:12:56,390 --> 01:12:54,560
is this an aha moment

1724
01:12:58,870 --> 01:12:56,400
right because i'm looking at these and

1725
01:13:02,550 --> 01:12:58,880
i'm just like going aha

1726
01:13:06,630 --> 01:13:02,560
right i see it i see it is this

1727
01:13:09,990 --> 01:13:06,640
do do we do we connect these directly

1728
01:13:11,910 --> 01:13:10,000
is one representing the other um

1729
01:13:13,430 --> 01:13:11,920
they come okay the mindset we have to

1730
01:13:16,830 --> 01:13:13,440
work from is

1731
01:13:18,310 --> 01:13:16,840
an uh a deliberately formulated and

1732
01:13:21,270 --> 01:13:18,320
instructed

1733
01:13:23,110 --> 01:13:21,280
symbolic tradition in ancient times that

1734
01:13:26,390 --> 01:13:23,120
virtually every

1735
01:13:27,990 --> 01:13:26,400
um inc every later

1736
01:13:30,950 --> 01:13:28,000
religious tradition or symbolic

1737
01:13:32,870 --> 01:13:30,960
tradition or creation tradition

1738
01:13:34,149 --> 01:13:32,880
descends from they all had the same

1739
01:13:36,470 --> 01:13:34,159
original teachers

1740
01:13:37,910 --> 01:13:36,480
they were all being taught to a single

1741
01:13:40,070 --> 01:13:37,920
plan and that's why

1742
01:13:40,950 --> 01:13:40,080
they all look so similar to us right now

1743
01:13:43,510 --> 01:13:40,960
it's not that

1744
01:13:45,110 --> 01:13:43,520
the sumerians or the the maori got it

1745
01:13:47,590 --> 01:13:45,120
from the sumerians

1746
01:13:49,430 --> 01:13:47,600
it's that they were all instructed in

1747
01:13:50,070 --> 01:13:49,440
the same tradition by the same group of

1748
01:13:51,990 --> 01:13:50,080
teachers

1749
01:13:53,510 --> 01:13:52,000
the same way you and i might have had

1750
01:13:55,189 --> 01:13:53,520
the same math teacher in high school but

1751
01:13:58,709 --> 01:13:55,199
maybe years apart from each other

1752
01:13:59,110 --> 01:13:58,719
right right so what we are suggesting

1753
01:14:02,070 --> 01:13:59,120
here

1754
01:14:03,350 --> 01:14:02,080
just suggesting uh going back to go

1755
01:14:06,310 --> 01:14:03,360
beckley tepee

1756
01:14:06,950 --> 01:14:06,320
that the same teachers the same

1757
01:14:10,550 --> 01:14:06,960
knowledge

1758
01:14:12,790 --> 01:14:10,560
the same source the same progenator

1759
01:14:14,630 --> 01:14:12,800
right now the buddha say the first time

1760
01:14:15,350 --> 01:14:14,640
knowledge was passed to humanity by a

1761
01:14:17,270 --> 01:14:15,360
buddha

1762
01:14:18,630 --> 01:14:17,280
it happened at a mythical site called

1763
01:14:20,390 --> 01:14:18,640
vulture peak

1764
01:14:22,550 --> 01:14:20,400
and volta peak is a perfect name to

1765
01:14:24,709 --> 01:14:22,560
describe gobeklitepi there are lots of

1766
01:14:25,669 --> 01:14:24,719
representations of vultures there yeah

1767
01:14:28,950 --> 01:14:25,679
they're all over

1768
01:14:31,030 --> 01:14:28,960
yeah they also know that um sky burials

1769
01:14:33,350 --> 01:14:31,040
were happening there which was

1770
01:14:34,070 --> 01:14:33,360
um a burial tradition that began with

1771
01:14:37,830 --> 01:14:34,080
leaving the

1772
01:14:41,030 --> 01:14:37,840
uh deceased body out to be naturally

1773
01:14:43,990 --> 01:14:41,040
um denuded deep fleshed by

1774
01:14:45,590 --> 01:14:44,000
birds of prey and natural elements if we

1775
01:14:47,030 --> 01:14:45,600
go back toward this foot this first

1776
01:14:50,709 --> 01:14:47,040
image that we're looking at this

1777
01:14:52,950 --> 01:14:50,719
image we see the wicker

1778
01:14:54,470 --> 01:14:52,960
shrine on the bottom left right if we go

1779
01:14:56,070 --> 01:14:54,480
up to the middle row all the way to the

1780
01:14:58,390 --> 01:14:56,080
right in the middle row you see the

1781
01:15:01,030 --> 01:14:58,400
little hemisphere shape

1782
01:15:02,310 --> 01:15:01,040
in the middle of that these are

1783
01:15:03,030 --> 01:15:02,320
miniatures that we're looking at

1784
01:15:05,669 --> 01:15:03,040
miniature

1785
01:15:06,070 --> 01:15:05,679
representations of says it says we see

1786
01:15:07,350 --> 01:15:06,080
this

1787
01:15:10,070 --> 01:15:07,360
what's essentially the same as the

1788
01:15:11,830 --> 01:15:10,080
gobekli tepe figure the handbag figure

1789
01:15:13,510 --> 01:15:11,840
sitting there with a little um

1790
01:15:15,270 --> 01:15:13,520
hemisphere yeah

1791
01:15:17,430 --> 01:15:15,280
you do you do i mean it's just right

1792
01:15:21,270 --> 01:15:17,440
there it's it's right there

1793
01:15:23,590 --> 01:15:21,280
and um when you let me ask you this

1794
01:15:25,910 --> 01:15:23,600
when you first started to see the images

1795
01:15:29,430 --> 01:15:25,920
of gobekli tepi

1796
01:15:32,310 --> 01:15:29,440
did you when you started to see these uh

1797
01:15:32,870 --> 01:15:32,320
handbag you know icons or whatever you

1798
01:15:35,910 --> 01:15:32,880
want to

1799
01:15:38,709 --> 01:15:35,920
call them did you immediately go to

1800
01:15:40,390 --> 01:15:38,719
set were you thinking shrine actually i

1801
01:15:42,229 --> 01:15:40,400
had no idea originally what i was

1802
01:15:44,870 --> 01:15:42,239
looking at the reason i started even

1803
01:15:46,790 --> 01:15:44,880
looking at it was because

1804
01:15:49,110 --> 01:15:46,800
john anthony west and robert shock were

1805
01:15:51,189 --> 01:15:49,120
talking about going to gobekli tepe

1806
01:15:53,030 --> 01:15:51,199
and the night before they left they

1807
01:15:53,669 --> 01:15:53,040
decided to hold a party at john anthony

1808
01:15:55,669 --> 01:15:53,679
west's house

1809
01:15:57,750 --> 01:15:55,679
sort of a going away party for them and

1810
01:15:59,590 --> 01:15:57,760
my wife reese and i were invited so

1811
01:16:00,870 --> 01:15:59,600
i thought if i'm going to be going down

1812
01:16:02,229 --> 01:16:00,880
there talking with them about go back to

1813
01:16:03,590 --> 01:16:02,239
tepe i should at least have

1814
01:16:05,350 --> 01:16:03,600
a little bit of knowledge about what i'm

1815
01:16:07,830 --> 01:16:05,360
talking about right so

1816
01:16:09,750 --> 01:16:07,840
i did some research and i noticed all

1817
01:16:11,669 --> 01:16:09,760
the the animals carved the figures of

1818
01:16:13,910 --> 01:16:11,679
animals carved on the pillars

1819
01:16:15,030 --> 01:16:13,920
and quite a few of those animals are

1820
01:16:17,110 --> 01:16:15,040
animals that

1821
01:16:18,390 --> 01:16:17,120
have carried symbolic meaning for the

1822
01:16:20,229 --> 01:16:18,400
dogan uh

1823
01:16:22,550 --> 01:16:20,239
tradition and i thought well it looks to

1824
01:16:23,270 --> 01:16:22,560
me like these might have be cosmological

1825
01:16:25,189 --> 01:16:23,280
in nature

1826
01:16:26,630 --> 01:16:25,199
but there were a couple of animals that

1827
01:16:28,310 --> 01:16:26,640
weren't familiar to me they weren't part

1828
01:16:29,990 --> 01:16:28,320
of the tradition as the way the delgad

1829
01:16:31,270 --> 01:16:30,000
expressed it and i thought you know

1830
01:16:33,189 --> 01:16:31,280
what's going on with these animals that

1831
01:16:36,390 --> 01:16:33,199
i don't recognize

1832
01:16:39,110 --> 01:16:36,400
well then i realized

1833
01:16:39,510 --> 01:16:39,120
that the further back in time we go the

1834
01:16:42,709 --> 01:16:39,520
more

1835
01:16:44,630 --> 01:16:42,719
commonality of language we have that

1836
01:16:46,950 --> 01:16:44,640
the word tepe if you go to a modern

1837
01:16:50,149 --> 01:16:46,960
turkish dictionary the word tepe

1838
01:16:51,590 --> 01:16:50,159
carries about 25 different meanings

1839
01:16:54,229 --> 01:16:51,600
however if you pick up an egyptian

1840
01:16:56,790 --> 01:16:54,239
hieroglyphic dictionary you'll see

1841
01:16:58,310 --> 01:16:56,800
a dozen of those a full dozen of the

1842
01:17:00,229 --> 01:16:58,320
those same meanings

1843
01:17:02,870 --> 01:17:00,239
associated with what the same phonetic

1844
01:17:05,430 --> 01:17:02,880
tapper tepid

1845
01:17:06,709 --> 01:17:05,440
so i could see that there was uh

1846
01:17:08,470 --> 01:17:06,719
language in common that when the

1847
01:17:10,229 --> 01:17:08,480
egyptians were talking about

1848
01:17:11,510 --> 01:17:10,239
uh tepe they were they meant the same

1849
01:17:13,669 --> 01:17:11,520
thing the ancient

1850
01:17:15,669 --> 01:17:13,679
turks must have been so i started

1851
01:17:17,189 --> 01:17:15,679
looking up the names of these animals in

1852
01:17:18,149 --> 01:17:17,199
the egyptian hieroglyphic dictionary and

1853
01:17:20,310 --> 01:17:18,159
realized

1854
01:17:21,430 --> 01:17:20,320
that the animal names were all

1855
01:17:23,430 --> 01:17:21,440
pronounced the same as

1856
01:17:25,669 --> 01:17:23,440
important cosmological terms even the

1857
01:17:27,910 --> 01:17:25,679
animals i didn't recognize

1858
01:17:30,390 --> 01:17:27,920
the name of the animal if you spoke the

1859
01:17:31,750 --> 01:17:30,400
name it's a homonym for cosmological

1860
01:17:33,510 --> 01:17:31,760
terms so at the same time you're saying

1861
01:17:36,550 --> 01:17:33,520
the name you're saying some concept

1862
01:17:39,030 --> 01:17:36,560
that relates to concepts of creation

1863
01:17:40,070 --> 01:17:39,040
and so i came away from that realizing

1864
01:17:41,990 --> 01:17:40,080
that we had

1865
01:17:43,350 --> 01:17:42,000
a connection to the cosmology there that

1866
01:17:45,669 --> 01:17:43,360
i could argue

1867
01:17:46,630 --> 01:17:45,679
persuasively to john and to robert it

1868
01:17:48,070 --> 01:17:46,640
wasn't until much

1869
01:17:49,669 --> 01:17:48,080
later that i understood about the

1870
01:17:52,630 --> 01:17:49,679
concept of the sea

1871
01:17:53,750 --> 01:17:52,640
now the sea as it turns out was a

1872
01:17:56,870 --> 01:17:53,760
pattern for

1873
01:17:58,390 --> 01:17:56,880
a certain lineage of ancient egyptian

1874
01:18:00,149 --> 01:17:58,400
shrines

1875
01:18:02,229 --> 01:18:00,159
this was the first incarnation of it but

1876
01:18:05,110 --> 01:18:02,239
it extended forward in ancient egypt

1877
01:18:06,070 --> 01:18:05,120
this is one of the the families of

1878
01:18:07,990 --> 01:18:06,080
shrines that

1879
01:18:10,070 --> 01:18:08,000
that we have to concern ourselves with

1880
01:18:13,189 --> 01:18:10,080
in egypt now did this set

1881
01:18:16,310 --> 01:18:13,199
did the set uh originate as far

1882
01:18:18,790 --> 01:18:16,320
back as uh mene

1883
01:18:20,950 --> 01:18:18,800
are we talking about you know the

1884
01:18:23,030 --> 01:18:20,960
beginning of that diagnostic period or

1885
01:18:26,070 --> 01:18:23,040
was it before

1886
01:18:27,990 --> 01:18:26,080
um my understanding is

1887
01:18:30,630 --> 01:18:28,000
that this was the earliest form of

1888
01:18:32,149 --> 01:18:30,640
traditional ancient egyptian shrine

1889
01:18:34,550 --> 01:18:32,159
uh before they were building them out of

1890
01:18:35,430 --> 01:18:34,560
stone while before the average person

1891
01:18:39,189 --> 01:18:35,440
was

1892
01:18:41,750 --> 01:18:39,199
um involved with with um stone

1893
01:18:43,270 --> 01:18:41,760
built shrines that this was the the sort

1894
01:18:44,470 --> 01:18:43,280
of shrine that your average person could

1895
01:18:47,189 --> 01:18:44,480
have a connection to

1896
01:18:49,430 --> 01:18:47,199
right right because if you're not a

1897
01:18:52,149 --> 01:18:49,440
pharaoh you're not you're probably not

1898
01:18:52,470 --> 01:18:52,159
dealing with temples and then of course

1899
01:18:55,910 --> 01:18:52,480
uh

1900
01:18:57,030 --> 01:18:55,920
is there a connection i don't know if it

1901
01:18:59,910 --> 01:18:57,040
would be

1902
01:19:00,870 --> 01:18:59,920
etymology or not but of course we have

1903
01:19:02,310 --> 01:19:00,880
one of the most

1904
01:19:05,270 --> 01:19:02,320
famous things that we can talk about

1905
01:19:08,390 --> 01:19:05,280
about ancient egypt which is zeptappy

1906
01:19:10,070 --> 01:19:08,400
is right is there a connection yes

1907
01:19:12,229 --> 01:19:10,080
from my point of view there absolutely

1908
01:19:14,709 --> 01:19:12,239
is now one of the ways i can make the

1909
01:19:18,229 --> 01:19:14,719
connection is because

1910
01:19:18,709 --> 01:19:18,239
there's an archaic egyptian hieroglyphic

1911
01:19:21,830 --> 01:19:18,719
word

1912
01:19:22,709 --> 01:19:21,840
for the region of cappadocia where go

1913
01:19:25,350 --> 01:19:22,719
back to tepe

1914
01:19:26,149 --> 01:19:25,360
is cappadocia is the greek term for that

1915
01:19:29,990 --> 01:19:26,159
region

1916
01:19:33,430 --> 01:19:30,000
the ancient egyptians called it um

1917
01:19:39,590 --> 01:19:37,910
however that's an archaic pronunciation

1918
01:19:41,590 --> 01:19:39,600
of these glyphs you can also

1919
01:19:43,750 --> 01:19:41,600
reinterpret those glyphs using a modern

1920
01:19:47,750 --> 01:19:43,760
pronunciation pronunciation and then you

1921
01:19:50,950 --> 01:19:47,760
it it translates as hetpetka

1922
01:19:53,110 --> 01:19:50,960
really now i i know pat

1923
01:19:54,630 --> 01:19:53,120
was an egyptian god of space that's

1924
01:19:57,110 --> 01:19:54,640
right

1925
01:19:58,950 --> 01:19:57,120
was an egyptian god that represented the

1926
01:20:00,149 --> 01:19:58,960
concept of an embrace embraced between

1927
01:20:03,669 --> 01:20:00,159
universes

1928
01:20:05,990 --> 01:20:03,679
and yah was the hebrew god for light

1929
01:20:07,510 --> 01:20:06,000
hat is a term that means shrine or

1930
01:20:10,790 --> 01:20:07,520
sanctuary

1931
01:20:13,750 --> 01:20:10,800
so that egyptian word for that region

1932
01:20:16,149 --> 01:20:13,760
reads literally sanctuary of space

1933
01:20:17,990 --> 01:20:16,159
embracing light

1934
01:20:19,590 --> 01:20:18,000
which is the definition of a sanctuary

1935
01:20:22,790 --> 01:20:19,600
cosmologically

1936
01:20:24,229 --> 01:20:22,800
it's not materiality connected in an

1937
01:20:26,229 --> 01:20:24,239
embraced with

1938
01:20:28,149 --> 01:20:26,239
materiality you know that you know the

1939
01:20:32,790 --> 01:20:28,159
fader knots right now the uh

1940
01:20:35,030 --> 01:20:32,800
the audience is like ah-ha

1941
01:20:36,229 --> 01:20:35,040
they're listening to you laird they're

1942
01:20:39,189 --> 01:20:36,239
listening

1943
01:20:40,149 --> 01:20:39,199
this concept of the of the two energies

1944
01:20:42,229 --> 01:20:40,159
coming together is

1945
01:20:43,830 --> 01:20:42,239
expressed a half a dozen different ways

1946
01:20:46,310 --> 01:20:43,840
at tobacco tepe in ways that we're

1947
01:20:48,950 --> 01:20:46,320
familiar with um

1948
01:20:50,470 --> 01:20:48,960
we see the the two arms that come down

1949
01:20:51,990 --> 01:20:50,480
the sides of the pillar that

1950
01:20:53,510 --> 01:20:52,000
the hands wrap around the end of the

1951
01:20:55,030 --> 01:20:53,520
pillar right that

1952
01:20:56,629 --> 01:20:55,040
that represents the concept of an

1953
01:20:57,350 --> 01:20:56,639
embrace in the egyptian hieroglyphic

1954
01:20:58,950 --> 01:20:57,360
language

1955
01:21:00,629 --> 01:20:58,960
there's a word for embrace that also

1956
01:21:03,350 --> 01:21:00,639
means pillar

1957
01:21:05,590 --> 01:21:03,360
now let's go to actually that's a good

1958
01:21:07,750 --> 01:21:05,600
segue and i'm looking at the clock let's

1959
01:21:09,430 --> 01:21:07,760
get to image three and four

1960
01:21:10,709 --> 01:21:09,440
if we're going to go to the embrace

1961
01:21:12,470 --> 01:21:10,719
which one do you want to do first you

1962
01:21:15,350 --> 01:21:12,480
want to go uh buddha

1963
01:21:16,790 --> 01:21:15,360
or you want to go uh ganesha okay the

1964
01:21:19,669 --> 01:21:16,800
the buddhist shrine

1965
01:21:21,510 --> 01:21:19,679
we can see um a similar representation

1966
01:21:25,030 --> 01:21:21,520
except that it's rounded

1967
01:21:27,110 --> 01:21:25,040
um of the the handbag type concept i

1968
01:21:28,709 --> 01:21:27,120
just want i wanted to include that uh

1969
01:21:30,709 --> 01:21:28,719
just as sort of a footnote that by the

1970
01:21:32,310 --> 01:21:30,719
way the these same concepts extend in

1971
01:21:33,189 --> 01:21:32,320
other traditions besides egypt and go

1972
01:21:35,110 --> 01:21:33,199
back to the tepe

1973
01:21:36,629 --> 01:21:35,120
i see we actually eventually find it

1974
01:21:38,550 --> 01:21:36,639
everywhere yep i see

1975
01:21:40,870 --> 01:21:38,560
i'm going to be seeing it everywhere now

1976
01:21:43,990 --> 01:21:40,880
too thank you for that

1977
01:21:46,070 --> 01:21:44,000
also the the buddhist shrine the the

1978
01:21:49,350 --> 01:21:46,080
stupa here

1979
01:21:51,350 --> 01:21:49,360
from my point of view is a later era

1980
01:21:53,830 --> 01:21:51,360
structure the dogen have a version of

1981
01:21:56,709 --> 01:21:53,840
the stupa that is an archaic version

1982
01:21:57,270 --> 01:21:56,719
and somewhere midway through this uh

1983
01:22:01,189 --> 01:21:57,280
process

1984
01:22:04,470 --> 01:22:01,199
actually around 3600 bc we start seeing

1985
01:22:06,870 --> 01:22:04,480
symbolic reversals that um what used to

1986
01:22:10,709 --> 01:22:06,880
be matriarchal now becomes patriarchal

1987
01:22:12,790 --> 01:22:10,719
and what used to be um

1988
01:22:14,950 --> 01:22:12,800
oral tradition becomes a written

1989
01:22:15,510 --> 01:22:14,960
tradition what used to be one sort of

1990
01:22:17,990 --> 01:22:15,520
burial

1991
01:22:19,270 --> 01:22:18,000
ritual becomes a second barrier ritual

1992
01:22:22,229 --> 01:22:19,280
and things like that

1993
01:22:24,629 --> 01:22:22,239
so the buddhist where the dogan have a

1994
01:22:26,950 --> 01:22:24,639
round base and a squared top

1995
01:22:29,350 --> 01:22:26,960
the buddhists have a square base and a

1996
01:22:32,629 --> 01:22:29,360
rounded top

1997
01:22:33,750 --> 01:22:32,639
and that's just just a point that sort

1998
01:22:36,229 --> 01:22:33,760
of tuck away that

1999
01:22:37,110 --> 01:22:36,239
these reversals happen cross-culturally

2000
01:22:39,990 --> 01:22:37,120
and they're all

2001
01:22:40,629 --> 01:22:40,000
around the same time okay the fourth

2002
01:22:43,750 --> 01:22:40,639
image

2003
01:22:46,070 --> 01:22:43,760
show that

2004
01:22:48,709 --> 01:22:46,080
connected with ganesha the elephant god

2005
01:22:49,750 --> 01:22:48,719
who who rides on the back of a mouse or

2006
01:22:52,070 --> 01:22:49,760
a rat

2007
01:22:53,910 --> 01:22:52,080
that we're seeing this a similar sort of

2008
01:22:55,910 --> 01:22:53,920
shape here the rounded rounded top and

2009
01:22:58,550 --> 01:22:55,920
the squared bottom

2010
01:23:00,790 --> 01:22:58,560
is reminiscent of that same handbag now

2011
01:23:03,270 --> 01:23:00,800
i'm not going to make light of this

2012
01:23:04,470 --> 01:23:03,280
i'm not because this research is

2013
01:23:07,590 --> 01:23:04,480
important

2014
01:23:11,590 --> 01:23:07,600
but what about modern symbology today

2015
01:23:14,310 --> 01:23:11,600
like uh the mcdonald's golden arches

2016
01:23:14,950 --> 01:23:14,320
right if you you know what i mean or or

2017
01:23:17,350 --> 01:23:14,960
other

2018
01:23:19,830 --> 01:23:17,360
uh logos and and things that we see in

2019
01:23:22,149 --> 01:23:19,840
popular culture

2020
01:23:24,149 --> 01:23:22,159
should we take a second look at those

2021
01:23:27,110 --> 01:23:24,159
and it may be

2022
01:23:29,430 --> 01:23:27,120
accidental right the artists didn't know

2023
01:23:32,070 --> 01:23:29,440
but the symbology is already part of our

2024
01:23:34,310 --> 01:23:32,080
dna that goes back thousands of years

2025
01:23:36,550 --> 01:23:34,320
well this is a very tenacious symbolism

2026
01:23:39,430 --> 01:23:36,560
um i'll ask people

2027
01:23:40,790 --> 01:23:39,440
ask a stranger what do you suppose an

2028
01:23:42,229 --> 01:23:40,800
owl represents

2029
01:23:44,310 --> 01:23:42,239
and very often they'll say now

2030
01:23:47,270 --> 01:23:44,320
represents knowledge

2031
01:23:47,990 --> 01:23:47,280
and i say to them you just repeated to

2032
01:23:49,590 --> 01:23:48,000
me

2033
01:23:51,669 --> 01:23:49,600
five thousand euro at least five

2034
01:23:54,310 --> 01:23:51,679
thousand year old symbolism

2035
01:23:54,870 --> 01:23:54,320
that you probably never studied you were

2036
01:23:58,390 --> 01:23:54,880
never

2037
01:24:00,229 --> 01:23:58,400
literally made it where to aware of it

2038
01:24:01,430 --> 01:24:00,239
and yet five thousand years later you

2039
01:24:03,110 --> 01:24:01,440
still understand

2040
01:24:05,270 --> 01:24:03,120
that now represents the concept of

2041
01:24:06,870 --> 01:24:05,280
knowledge that's how tenacious

2042
01:24:08,790 --> 01:24:06,880
the symbolism is so yes it's going to

2043
01:24:10,070 --> 01:24:08,800
turn up everywhere when you're dealing

2044
01:24:11,990 --> 01:24:10,080
with things like

2045
01:24:14,229 --> 01:24:12,000
founding fathers of the united states

2046
01:24:16,629 --> 01:24:14,239
you see very deliberate

2047
01:24:18,550 --> 01:24:16,639
use of these symbols uh in other

2048
01:24:19,669 --> 01:24:18,560
contexts you see the symbols pop up and

2049
01:24:22,149 --> 01:24:19,679
it might be might be

2050
01:24:22,790 --> 01:24:22,159
i'm thinking or it might be knowingly

2051
01:24:26,390 --> 01:24:22,800
what

2052
01:24:30,629 --> 01:24:26,400
now let's go back to go back to tepe and

2053
01:24:33,750 --> 01:24:30,639
and egypt the there's another

2054
01:24:35,669 --> 01:24:33,760
possibility here and it's only because

2055
01:24:39,030 --> 01:24:35,679
it's obvious to me

2056
01:24:42,070 --> 01:24:39,040
but geographically gobekli tepe is not

2057
01:24:44,149 --> 01:24:42,080
that far from egypt right one of the

2058
01:24:44,950 --> 01:24:44,159
meanings of gobekli tepe i totally said

2059
01:24:46,870 --> 01:24:44,960
there are multiple

2060
01:24:48,229 --> 01:24:46,880
meanings to these words one of the

2061
01:24:50,629 --> 01:24:48,239
translations that

2062
01:24:51,270 --> 01:24:50,639
is put forward for the name go back to

2063
01:24:54,310 --> 01:24:51,280
tepe is

2064
01:24:55,910 --> 01:24:54,320
central hill that's the same translation

2065
01:24:58,950 --> 01:24:55,920
that goes with the greek

2066
01:25:01,030 --> 01:24:58,960
suffix suffix opolis

2067
01:25:03,110 --> 01:25:01,040
they tended to put their sanctuaries on

2068
01:25:05,750 --> 01:25:03,120
top of centralized hills

2069
01:25:06,550 --> 01:25:05,760
uh gobekli tepe if you look at a map is

2070
01:25:09,669 --> 01:25:06,560
sitting

2071
01:25:13,430 --> 01:25:09,679
right in the in the center of the center

2072
01:25:17,510 --> 01:25:13,440
point of a number of land masses and

2073
01:25:19,910 --> 01:25:17,520
if you follow all of the um the various

2074
01:25:21,430 --> 01:25:19,920
uh civilizing skills that made their

2075
01:25:24,229 --> 01:25:21,440
first appearance there

2076
01:25:26,390 --> 01:25:24,239
follow them genetically and follow them

2077
01:25:28,229 --> 01:25:26,400
culturally follow them through language

2078
01:25:30,629 --> 01:25:28,239
follow them through architecture and so

2079
01:25:32,390 --> 01:25:30,639
forth they radiate outward from that

2080
01:25:33,750 --> 01:25:32,400
region from the fertile crescent region

2081
01:25:35,910 --> 01:25:33,760
in all directions

2082
01:25:37,830 --> 01:25:35,920
this is a central point that at ten

2083
01:25:39,910 --> 01:25:37,840
thousand bc it looks as if

2084
01:25:41,030 --> 01:25:39,920
uh instruction could have been happening

2085
01:25:42,550 --> 01:25:41,040
now uh we

2086
01:25:44,390 --> 01:25:42,560
we only have a couple of minutes left

2087
01:25:45,590 --> 01:25:44,400
and we're gonna be jumping into a couple

2088
01:25:48,790 --> 01:25:45,600
of other areas

2089
01:25:51,910 --> 01:25:48,800
uh next but uh there is

2090
01:25:54,070 --> 01:25:51,920
also how do i say this right

2091
01:25:55,590 --> 01:25:54,080
i don't wanna sound like a doofus but

2092
01:25:58,950 --> 01:25:55,600
there are other

2093
01:26:01,350 --> 01:25:58,960
basic symbols and symbolism both with

2094
01:26:04,870 --> 01:26:01,360
animals and other things

2095
01:26:08,149 --> 01:26:04,880
uh echo beckley tepe that we see

2096
01:26:11,430 --> 01:26:08,159
all over egypt above doorways uh

2097
01:26:12,550 --> 01:26:11,440
part of hieroglyphics it's it's right

2098
01:26:16,470 --> 01:26:12,560
there and it's almost

2099
01:26:18,550 --> 01:26:16,480
an exact copy and we see it we naturally

2100
01:26:18,870 --> 01:26:18,560
react to it is there a connection there

2101
01:26:21,990 --> 01:26:18,880
too

2102
01:26:25,510 --> 01:26:22,000
as well yes but the paths are

2103
01:26:27,510 --> 01:26:25,520
um not straightforward i see

2104
01:26:30,310 --> 01:26:27,520
evidence of direct connection at 10 000

2105
01:26:32,149 --> 01:26:30,320
bc between egypt and gobekli tepe

2106
01:26:33,830 --> 01:26:32,159
there's a path of transmission out of

2107
01:26:35,750 --> 01:26:33,840
gobekli tapi region

2108
01:26:37,990 --> 01:26:35,760
that passes down through palestine into

2109
01:26:40,390 --> 01:26:38,000
egypt in pre-dynastic times

2110
01:26:41,590 --> 01:26:40,400
right there's another path that passes

2111
01:26:43,990 --> 01:26:41,600
down through india

2112
01:26:44,870 --> 01:26:44,000
and back into elephantine by about 4000

2113
01:26:47,990 --> 01:26:44,880
bc

2114
01:26:49,990 --> 01:26:48,000
and there's a fourth path that

2115
01:26:52,149 --> 01:26:50,000
makes its way from gobekli tepe to

2116
01:26:54,229 --> 01:26:52,159
northern scotland and then back to egypt

2117
01:26:55,669 --> 01:26:54,239
at around 3000 bc just at the start of

2118
01:26:58,149 --> 01:26:55,679
dynastic egypt

2119
01:26:59,830 --> 01:26:58,159
so you have competing influences from

2120
01:27:00,550 --> 01:26:59,840
four different paths of transmission

2121
01:27:03,750 --> 01:27:00,560
that make

2122
01:27:05,350 --> 01:27:03,760
this stuff difficult and again i keep

2123
01:27:08,629 --> 01:27:05,360
using the word progenator

2124
01:27:12,070 --> 01:27:08,639
right but is it important to

2125
01:27:14,790 --> 01:27:12,080
uh uh embrace this concept

2126
01:27:16,149 --> 01:27:14,800
that it was just one source of

2127
01:27:19,910 --> 01:27:16,159
information

2128
01:27:21,590 --> 01:27:19,920
that was spread out from a central point

2129
01:27:23,430 --> 01:27:21,600
well i mean you sort of have to conclude

2130
01:27:25,990 --> 01:27:23,440
that right um

2131
01:27:27,510 --> 01:27:26,000
because any number of attempts were made

2132
01:27:29,510 --> 01:27:27,520
back in the 1800s

2133
01:27:31,750 --> 01:27:29,520
you know where some archaeologists would

2134
01:27:33,510 --> 01:27:31,760
pick a society as his pet culture then

2135
01:27:34,470 --> 01:27:33,520
try to demonstrate they were the source

2136
01:27:36,709 --> 01:27:34,480
of all this

2137
01:27:38,629 --> 01:27:36,719
and then illustrate how it got from that

2138
01:27:40,310 --> 01:27:38,639
culture to all the other ones

2139
01:27:41,750 --> 01:27:40,320
and all of those attempts fell on their

2140
01:27:42,870 --> 01:27:41,760
faces eventually because

2141
01:27:44,149 --> 01:27:42,880
they would bump up against some

2142
01:27:45,990 --> 01:27:44,159
contradiction that says that can't

2143
01:27:49,430 --> 01:27:46,000
possibly be true

2144
01:27:53,270 --> 01:27:49,440
what makes sense to me in every way is

2145
01:27:55,189 --> 01:27:53,280
that there was a cross-regional attempt

2146
01:27:57,270 --> 01:27:55,199
to instruct

2147
01:27:59,270 --> 01:27:57,280
different groups in different societies

2148
01:27:59,990 --> 01:27:59,280
by a single group of very knowledgeable

2149
01:28:02,550 --> 01:28:00,000
teachers very

2150
01:28:04,470 --> 01:28:02,560
skilled teachers and that the

2151
01:28:05,110 --> 01:28:04,480
resemblances we're seeing are largely

2152
01:28:08,390 --> 01:28:05,120
the result

2153
01:28:11,910 --> 01:28:08,400
of common instruction so if we go

2154
01:28:15,350 --> 01:28:11,920
east of i've got two minutes if we stay

2155
01:28:19,110 --> 01:28:15,360
on that that that thought and we go

2156
01:28:22,470 --> 01:28:19,120
uh west due west of of cairo

2157
01:28:22,950 --> 01:28:22,480
and into this heir to the dogens and we

2158
01:28:26,149 --> 01:28:22,960
go

2159
01:28:29,669 --> 01:28:26,159
tepi

2160
01:28:31,990 --> 01:28:29,679
and that area of the armenian highlands

2161
01:28:32,709 --> 01:28:32,000
and centrally located in the middle is

2162
01:28:34,950 --> 01:28:32,719
cairo

2163
01:28:36,310 --> 01:28:34,960
and of course we have alexandria the

2164
01:28:38,870 --> 01:28:36,320
library

2165
01:28:39,430 --> 01:28:38,880
and hermeticism and the alchemy that

2166
01:28:42,229 --> 01:28:39,440
spread

2167
01:28:42,790 --> 01:28:42,239
back out throughout the world is this

2168
01:28:45,590 --> 01:28:42,800
kind of

2169
01:28:46,310 --> 01:28:45,600
if we had a flow chart is that what we

2170
01:28:49,350 --> 01:28:46,320
should

2171
01:28:52,790 --> 01:28:49,360
probably uh look at it as

2172
01:28:54,950 --> 01:28:52,800
um i don't place as much emphasis on

2173
01:28:57,270 --> 01:28:54,960
egypt most of what we

2174
01:28:58,870 --> 01:28:57,280
recognize as being traditionally ancient

2175
01:29:01,430 --> 01:28:58,880
egyptian

2176
01:29:04,070 --> 01:29:01,440
hearkens back nostalgically to things

2177
01:29:07,270 --> 01:29:04,080
that i connect with orkney

2178
01:29:08,870 --> 01:29:07,280
in the centuries just preceding dynastic

2179
01:29:11,189 --> 01:29:08,880
egypt

2180
01:29:13,270 --> 01:29:11,199
and that all of that comes out of yet

2181
01:29:14,870 --> 01:29:13,280
another path of transition which is

2182
01:29:17,350 --> 01:29:14,880
what i'll be talking about in the

2183
01:29:18,470 --> 01:29:17,360
upcoming book how it got from go back to

2184
01:29:21,750 --> 01:29:18,480
tepe to

2185
01:29:24,709 --> 01:29:21,760
orkney orkney island

2186
01:29:26,070 --> 01:29:24,719
right wow that'll be uh that'll be uh

2187
01:29:27,189 --> 01:29:26,080
the new tagline at the end of my

2188
01:29:30,310 --> 01:29:27,199
commercials

2189
01:29:32,310 --> 01:29:30,320
or orkney island

2190
01:29:33,990 --> 01:29:32,320
our guest tonight laird scranton i am

2191
01:29:35,669 --> 01:29:34,000
your host jimmy church we're gonna take

2192
01:29:38,550 --> 01:29:35,679
a quick break right here

2193
01:29:40,310 --> 01:29:38,560
when we come back we're gonna go to the

2194
01:29:42,629 --> 01:29:40,320
queen's chamber

2195
01:29:43,990 --> 01:29:42,639
and its influence at the great pyramid

2196
01:29:52,910 --> 01:29:44,000
we'll be right back after this short

2197
01:30:05,750 --> 01:29:52,920
break stay with us

2198
01:30:11,990 --> 01:30:08,950
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01:30:13,830 --> 01:30:12,000
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welcome back fate to black i'm your host

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jimmy church our guest tonight laird

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scranton

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night four of egypt week

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for those of you that were stopping by

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expecting open lines in

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uh fader nights we had to reschedule

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laird

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for tonight because of our technical

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snafu

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that went down on monday now moving

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on to the queen's chamber again i find

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this so interesting

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and what image do you want to start with

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first

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well we'll start with the the queen's

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chamber itself which has

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connections to um chambered cairns

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in the united kingdom um and it also has

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connections to

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root concepts of buddhism and buddhism

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okay these these concepts are connected

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to

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the notion of a stupa shrine which is

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the same

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class of shrine that i talk about the

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dogan having

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it's all wrapped up in the idea of

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separation of earth and sky

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and a space being created a kind of a

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gateway space being created

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between non-materiality and materiality

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and this corbelled shape that we see in

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the queen's chamber and especially with

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the little side chambers you see off

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them with squared openings

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and a little bit of a lip up inside the

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core belt shape in the queen's chamber

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are all connected to

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to that kind of a structure um every

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every typically with a buddhist shrine

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or actually

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most shrines in india have a central

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uh chamber called the garba that um

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that repeat the same dynamic very often

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repeat the same

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shape okay let's let's let's back up for

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a second here

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uh let's discuss these definitions uh

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when we're talking about the queen's

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chamber the first shape was what the

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first shape

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is this the see the stair steps type

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shape up in that opening that that niche

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that corbelled niche in the back wall

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right

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central shape

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and the perspective is that at some

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point

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this is a tricky to explain with that

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cycle of energy that runs between

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universes

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it's not just energy but it's also

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mass that is carried across from one

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universe to the other

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and einstein says that when we make a

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thing more massive

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we slow down its time frame that events

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occur more slowly in a more massive

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context

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so we're speeding up time on the

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non-material side with this

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energy scrolling and we're slowing it

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down on the material side

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now if you think of the cycle because it

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the energy flows from one side to the

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other and then flows back again this is

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an

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think of that cycle if you compare that

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cycle to

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a a normal year

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you realize that at the center of that

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cycle

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the mass of the two universes equalizes

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which means the time

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frames of the two universes equalize and

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it becomes theoretically possible

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to move from one universe to the other

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and that's what the dogan are saying

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happened with their teachers that their

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teachers were originally non-material

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but crossed over into the material

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domain

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and educated us

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now the way they crossed over was

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through kind of a gateway

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and this core belt shape is connected to

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the evocation of that kind of a gateway

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which was my question how did they cross

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over

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right well it what's indicated is that

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electromagnetic effects were used to

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open a space

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okay that

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that that concept connects to the

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the root definition of a buddhist stupa

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which is understood to have been raised

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up from

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from water basically uh the the concept

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of the prime

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primeval hill or the primordial hill

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that separates earth from sky

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that dynamic of separating earth from

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sky is

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cosmologically is the definition of the

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opening of that kind of a gateway

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between the the two domains now what

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about the gabled uh part of the roof

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um the gable part of the roof also

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actually recreates

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um the interior shape of some of the

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uh chambered cairns in the united

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kingdom in orkney and in the united

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kingdom

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right um so it looks to me as if there

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are all sorts of other

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um aspects of orkney that are being

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actively recreated in egypt at about the

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same period of time

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you have a cemetery at abydos that's

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overlooking

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uh a gap between mountains that is

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um parallel to a

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a mountain gap that's overlooked by

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major sites on orkney

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as a matter of fact the name abidos

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according to almost a abydos

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was originally pronounced abdu and the

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meaning of it meant

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the desired mountain it's specifically

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named for the mountain that

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uh is a resembles the orkney mountains

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you know when i'm

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when i look at uh these images

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of the interior the great pyramid that

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includes the grand gallery

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but i look at these and one thing i that

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does not escape my mind how is it

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possible that stone age man

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right at 3 000 at 2650 bc

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right before the age of anything

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right right built this

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because it is perfect it's perfect

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right i mean it certainly certainly is a

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master

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work of construction it's perfect i mean

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it just defines

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uh perfection it's absolutely incredible

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now image number two is just a diagram

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of what that chamber looks like and how

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it's arranged

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but again the

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the overall diagram goes along with

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original concept of a concept of the

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buddhist stupa

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01:39:43,109 --> 01:39:41,360
which it will again again evokes that

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01:39:45,669 --> 01:39:43,119
same interior shape inside of

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a of a structure inside of a hill

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hillside a hill

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um inside of a hilltop

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um so

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all this is is to show us um how that

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core belt

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01:40:01,830 --> 01:40:00,080
um niche sits inside the chamber inside

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the pyramid how it's positioned yeah why

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is it offset like that offset

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uh right off of center um

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that's that's a very good question why

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01:40:14,390 --> 01:40:11,280
why it is set that way

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01:40:17,910 --> 01:40:14,400
um symbolically

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directionality has meaning um

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things to the left are non-material

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01:40:23,590 --> 01:40:21,760
things to the right are material

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01:40:24,870 --> 01:40:23,600
sure so if they wanted to indicate that

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01:40:27,270 --> 01:40:24,880
this was a gateway

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01:40:29,109 --> 01:40:27,280
into the material offsetting it to the

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01:40:32,070 --> 01:40:29,119
right would make sense

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01:40:32,870 --> 01:40:32,080
and uh and this drawing which is the

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side view

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01:40:39,510 --> 01:40:36,320
of the cream queens chamber also says

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01:40:43,590 --> 01:40:39,520
how i mean how where does this knowledge

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01:40:44,229 --> 01:40:43,600
come from yes i mean it's insane to me i

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01:40:47,430 --> 01:40:44,239
love it i

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01:40:50,390 --> 01:40:47,440
i i'm perplexed i want i i

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01:40:51,750 --> 01:40:50,400
so want to know how they figured this

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01:40:55,350 --> 01:40:51,760
out because

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01:40:58,629 --> 01:40:55,360
just if we just go with you know current

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01:41:01,189 --> 01:40:58,639
timelines here 300 years before this

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01:41:03,590 --> 01:41:01,199
we're talking about tribes allegedly

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01:41:04,870 --> 01:41:03,600
gathering from the desert heading closer

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01:41:07,510 --> 01:41:04,880
to the nile

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01:41:09,669 --> 01:41:07,520
because that's where the water was and

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01:41:10,709 --> 01:41:09,679
and suddenly this stuff just pops up in

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01:41:14,390 --> 01:41:10,719
the desert

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01:41:15,590 --> 01:41:14,400
right but 300 years before this um

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01:41:17,990 --> 01:41:15,600
people on orkney were building

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01:41:20,470 --> 01:41:18,000
megalithic structures that's right

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01:41:21,990 --> 01:41:20,480
that's right and and in that same area

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01:41:22,629 --> 01:41:22,000
there were megalithic structures being

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01:41:24,629 --> 01:41:22,639
built other

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01:41:26,390 --> 01:41:24,639
other places around the world also in

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01:41:30,870 --> 01:41:26,400
eras long before that i mean

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01:41:32,790 --> 01:41:30,880
john anthony west assigns

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01:41:34,070 --> 01:41:32,800
certain structures even potentially the

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01:41:36,550 --> 01:41:34,080
sphinx to

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01:41:38,310 --> 01:41:36,560
prior cycles of this of this energy you

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01:41:40,870 --> 01:41:38,320
know a half cycle back or

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01:41:42,310 --> 01:41:40,880
a full cycle back yeah we can't forget

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01:41:45,270 --> 01:41:42,320
about nabdo playa

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01:41:47,030 --> 01:41:45,280
and and that's the significance of that

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01:41:50,070 --> 01:41:47,040
too as well which is something else that

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01:41:52,550 --> 01:41:50,080
just isn't talked about uh

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01:41:54,390 --> 01:41:52,560
amongst the egyptologists out there

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01:41:55,990 --> 01:41:54,400
because it just throws their timeline

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01:41:57,910 --> 01:41:56,000
completely off

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01:41:59,750 --> 01:41:57,920
right they don't know who was doing that

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01:42:02,629 --> 01:41:59,760
the truth is

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01:42:04,229 --> 01:42:02,639
that there were many um tribal groups

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01:42:05,910 --> 01:42:04,239
connected to the tradition i'm talking

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01:42:07,350 --> 01:42:05,920
about that seem to have been circulating

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01:42:07,830 --> 01:42:07,360
in those regions there's a group called

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01:42:11,910 --> 01:42:07,840
the

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01:42:15,189 --> 01:42:11,920
garamantians who painted images of

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01:42:19,590 --> 01:42:15,199
of chariots all all over um cliff

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01:42:20,390 --> 01:42:19,600
sides in the regions just west of egypt

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01:42:23,830 --> 01:42:20,400
between

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01:42:26,950 --> 01:42:23,840
egypt and and mali

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01:42:29,590 --> 01:42:26,960
which were possibly uh

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01:42:30,709 --> 01:42:29,600
oasis maybe travel stops like a truck

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01:42:32,870 --> 01:42:30,719
stop

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01:42:34,149 --> 01:42:32,880
well sort of except the paintings often

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01:42:35,910 --> 01:42:34,159
happen in regions where

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01:42:37,350 --> 01:42:35,920
no thinking person believes that cherry

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01:42:40,709 --> 01:42:37,360
had ever really went right

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01:42:43,350 --> 01:42:40,719
or or a human walked right right

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01:42:45,750 --> 01:42:43,360
exactly let's go to image number three

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01:42:48,550 --> 01:42:45,760
uh which is anger watts

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01:42:49,990 --> 01:42:48,560
okay we can see the the roots of the

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01:42:52,390 --> 01:42:50,000
same concepts here the

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01:42:53,270 --> 01:42:52,400
uh the far right picture that looks like

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01:42:56,950 --> 01:42:53,280
sort of a

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01:42:58,470 --> 01:42:56,960
um a cathedral type setting is very much

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01:42:59,430 --> 01:42:58,480
the feel you get inside some of the

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01:43:02,550 --> 01:42:59,440
chamber care

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01:43:05,189 --> 01:43:02,560
chambered cairns on orkney that

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01:43:07,030 --> 01:43:05,199
you know you crawl into these cairns on

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01:43:08,870 --> 01:43:07,040
hands and knees or

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01:43:11,109 --> 01:43:08,880
if you're a little shorter on hands and

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01:43:11,430 --> 01:43:11,119
feet but you have to be bent over to go

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01:43:15,109 --> 01:43:11,440
down

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01:43:16,790 --> 01:43:15,119
a short entryway to get into the

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01:43:18,470 --> 01:43:16,800
cairn once you're inside then you can

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01:43:19,590 --> 01:43:18,480
stand up and you have plenty of room

2515
01:43:21,990 --> 01:43:19,600
plenty of height

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01:43:23,750 --> 01:43:22,000
for even a tall person to stand inside

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01:43:24,550 --> 01:43:23,760
but the feel is very much the same as

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01:43:27,109 --> 01:43:24,560
that

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01:43:29,510 --> 01:43:27,119
so this is these are just examples of

2520
01:43:33,030 --> 01:43:29,520
how that same chambered care and feel

2521
01:43:36,070 --> 01:43:33,040
was carried forward in in other cultures

2522
01:43:37,430 --> 01:43:36,080
and before we go to orkney which is the

2523
01:43:40,550 --> 01:43:37,440
next image

2524
01:43:42,550 --> 01:43:40,560
as we're looking at the carryover uh

2525
01:43:44,709 --> 01:43:42,560
you know obviously starting echo beckley

2526
01:43:45,830 --> 01:43:44,719
tepe and and moving along in the

2527
01:43:48,709 --> 01:43:45,840
timeline

2528
01:43:49,910 --> 01:43:48,719
were the same representations the same

2529
01:43:53,030 --> 01:43:49,920
commonality

2530
01:43:56,390 --> 01:43:53,040
uh with with birds vultures

2531
01:43:59,830 --> 01:43:56,400
circles square sun wings

2532
01:44:01,109 --> 01:43:59,840
and and even the purses if i uh can add

2533
01:44:04,149 --> 01:44:01,119
that to as well

2534
01:44:04,629 --> 01:44:04,159
did they did they continue uh around the

2535
01:44:07,149 --> 01:44:04,639
world

2536
01:44:08,390 --> 01:44:07,159
which would suggest maybe a

2537
01:44:11,270 --> 01:44:08,400
trans-oceanic

2538
01:44:13,669 --> 01:44:11,280
uh transfer of knowledge but did did

2539
01:44:15,830 --> 01:44:13,679
that carry over to

2540
01:44:17,510 --> 01:44:15,840
um yeah sure we see evidence of that

2541
01:44:18,470 --> 01:44:17,520
pretty much pretty much everywhere i

2542
01:44:21,990 --> 01:44:18,480
mean different

2543
01:44:22,790 --> 01:44:22,000
subsets of this enough so that carl jung

2544
01:44:25,189 --> 01:44:22,800
noticed

2545
01:44:26,950 --> 01:44:25,199
archetypes he defined the concept of

2546
01:44:29,270 --> 01:44:26,960
archetypes these are there are

2547
01:44:30,790 --> 01:44:29,280
there's a body of symbolic elements

2548
01:44:34,350 --> 01:44:30,800
symbolic themes

2549
01:44:37,109 --> 01:44:34,360
mythical themes artistic

2550
01:44:38,870 --> 01:44:37,119
representations words and so forth that

2551
01:44:40,870 --> 01:44:38,880
just keep turning up persistently

2552
01:44:42,790 --> 01:44:40,880
in culture after culture and you don't

2553
01:44:43,830 --> 01:44:42,800
always you have only a subset in any

2554
01:44:46,070 --> 01:44:43,840
given culture

2555
01:44:49,910 --> 01:44:46,080
i'm trying to work with the ones who did

2556
01:44:52,470 --> 01:44:49,920
the best job of preserving the whole set

2557
01:44:52,950 --> 01:44:52,480
substantially yeah let's go to orkney

2558
01:44:56,310 --> 01:44:52,960
and

2559
01:44:56,870 --> 01:44:56,320
uh which is image number four right this

2560
01:44:59,109 --> 01:44:56,880
is the

2561
01:44:59,910 --> 01:44:59,119
the maze how chambered karen this is

2562
01:45:02,790 --> 01:44:59,920
sort of the

2563
01:45:03,669 --> 01:45:02,800
the grand master chambered cairn on

2564
01:45:05,109 --> 01:45:03,679
orkney

2565
01:45:07,430 --> 01:45:05,119
the interior how what it looked like

2566
01:45:09,910 --> 01:45:07,440
when they first entered inside of it

2567
01:45:11,990 --> 01:45:09,920
uh it has features that are uh really

2568
01:45:15,030 --> 01:45:12,000
reminiscent of places like

2569
01:45:16,950 --> 01:45:15,040
malta there's a place called the

2570
01:45:19,510 --> 01:45:16,960
hypogeum

2571
01:45:20,790 --> 01:45:19,520
in malta which is the place where they

2572
01:45:22,709 --> 01:45:20,800
found the

2573
01:45:24,870 --> 01:45:22,719
statue of the sleeping goddess that's so

2574
01:45:28,550 --> 01:45:24,880
famous

2575
01:45:31,270 --> 01:45:28,560
this precedes the the orkney

2576
01:45:33,590 --> 01:45:31,280
chamber care karen precedes very similar

2577
01:45:35,109 --> 01:45:33,600
beehive-shaped

2578
01:45:37,510 --> 01:45:35,119
tombs that were built all over the

2579
01:45:41,750 --> 01:45:37,520
aegean in eras following

2580
01:45:44,310 --> 01:45:41,760
orkney but this was the the earliest

2581
01:45:45,350 --> 01:45:44,320
and it recreates a lot of the same

2582
01:45:46,229 --> 01:45:45,360
features that were in the other

2583
01:45:48,229 --> 01:45:46,239
chambered carrots

2584
01:45:49,990 --> 01:45:48,239
yeah well i see the roof too and the

2585
01:45:53,830 --> 01:45:50,000
step obviously

2586
01:45:57,030 --> 01:45:53,840
for relieving weight but the design

2587
01:45:59,109 --> 01:45:57,040
it makes is it possible

2588
01:46:00,310 --> 01:45:59,119
okay i let's go outside of the box for a

2589
01:46:04,390 --> 01:46:00,320
second alert

2590
01:46:07,669 --> 01:46:04,400
is it possible that this engineering

2591
01:46:10,709 --> 01:46:07,679
knowledge of stepping

2592
01:46:13,830 --> 01:46:10,719
a ceiling like this with uh

2593
01:46:16,870 --> 01:46:13,840
stone rafters um

2594
01:46:19,990 --> 01:46:16,880
these concepts also doorways and windows

2595
01:46:23,750 --> 01:46:20,000
and and things entrances that

2596
01:46:26,950 --> 01:46:26,149
you know what i mean because these same

2597
01:46:29,350 --> 01:46:26,960
concepts

2598
01:46:30,470 --> 01:46:29,360
popped up all around the world it can't

2599
01:46:32,550 --> 01:46:30,480
be

2600
01:46:35,270 --> 01:46:32,560
that everybody had independent thought

2601
01:46:37,189 --> 01:46:35,280
but came up with the same ideas

2602
01:46:38,950 --> 01:46:37,199
right and that we can show that that's

2603
01:46:40,950 --> 01:46:38,960
not the case um

2604
01:46:42,070 --> 01:46:40,960
imagine a culture that builds only from

2605
01:46:43,510 --> 01:46:42,080
stone

2606
01:46:44,870 --> 01:46:43,520
it's only a matter of time before

2607
01:46:46,070 --> 01:46:44,880
they're going to think to stack those

2608
01:46:47,350 --> 01:46:46,080
stones up

2609
01:46:48,550 --> 01:46:47,360
in the form of a pyramid because there

2610
01:46:49,590 --> 01:46:48,560
are only so many things you can do with

2611
01:46:50,950 --> 01:46:49,600
stone

2612
01:46:53,189 --> 01:46:50,960
so eventually they're going to build a

2613
01:46:55,750 --> 01:46:53,199
pyramid so

2614
01:46:57,510 --> 01:46:55,760
the idea of constructing a pyramid might

2615
01:46:59,350 --> 01:46:57,520
be parallel development it

2616
01:47:01,990 --> 01:46:59,360
would be very easy to argue that the

2617
01:47:03,830 --> 01:47:02,000
problem is that there's very complicated

2618
01:47:05,910 --> 01:47:03,840
symbolism that goes along with that form

2619
01:47:07,910 --> 01:47:05,920
all over the world when we see pyramids

2620
01:47:10,310 --> 01:47:07,920
that the same representations that have

2621
01:47:13,350 --> 01:47:10,320
nothing to do with stacking up stones

2622
01:47:15,109 --> 01:47:13,360
they all thought to um associate

2623
01:47:18,070 --> 01:47:15,119
symbolism with it that

2624
01:47:19,910 --> 01:47:18,080
that matches and that's that's the piece

2625
01:47:20,709 --> 01:47:19,920
that argues that they all got it from a

2626
01:47:23,030 --> 01:47:20,719
common source

2627
01:47:24,229 --> 01:47:23,040
yeah when you look not only i mean the

2628
01:47:28,310 --> 01:47:24,239
obvious things

2629
01:47:30,149 --> 01:47:28,320
which is guatemala right belize mexico

2630
01:47:31,669 --> 01:47:30,159
uh throughout central and south america

2631
01:47:35,750 --> 01:47:31,679
and you look at those pyramids

2632
01:47:38,149 --> 01:47:35,760
and not only the pyramids themselves

2633
01:47:39,109 --> 01:47:38,159
but the way that they were constructed

2634
01:47:42,709 --> 01:47:39,119
and

2635
01:47:45,109 --> 01:47:42,719
the symbolism at the top of these uh

2636
01:47:46,550 --> 01:47:45,119
temples the three doorways and things

2637
01:47:48,229 --> 01:47:46,560
that happened all around the world at

2638
01:47:52,470 --> 01:47:48,239
the same time

2639
01:47:53,990 --> 01:47:52,480
right uh i wanted to jump back oh oh oh

2640
01:47:56,070 --> 01:47:54,000
oh oh oh

2641
01:47:58,550 --> 01:47:56,080
we we skipped over this when we were

2642
01:48:01,830 --> 01:47:58,560
talking about the purses

2643
01:48:06,229 --> 01:48:01,840
uh let's talk about sumerian and

2644
01:48:09,750 --> 01:48:06,239
and the anunnaki and the way that uh

2645
01:48:13,189 --> 01:48:09,760
deliberately carved and and

2646
01:48:14,790 --> 01:48:13,199
and preserved the different gods and the

2647
01:48:18,229 --> 01:48:14,800
different kings

2648
01:48:21,510 --> 01:48:18,239
all carrying purses that are

2649
01:48:24,310 --> 01:48:21,520
identical to go back lie tepi and also

2650
01:48:27,430 --> 01:48:24,320
have seen in egypt and around the world

2651
01:48:29,669 --> 01:48:27,440
same symbolism there

2652
01:48:32,310 --> 01:48:29,679
in what is being carried by the gods and

2653
01:48:36,149 --> 01:48:32,320
kings in mesopotamia

2654
01:48:37,510 --> 01:48:36,159
right well yes um but if we understand

2655
01:48:39,350 --> 01:48:37,520
that that basket

2656
01:48:41,030 --> 01:48:39,360
is a symbol for the bringing of

2657
01:48:43,510 --> 01:48:41,040
knowledge right

2658
01:48:44,390 --> 01:48:43,520
then the figure of a deity carrying the

2659
01:48:45,910 --> 01:48:44,400
basket

2660
01:48:47,669 --> 01:48:45,920
identifies them as the bringer of

2661
01:48:51,590 --> 01:48:47,679
knowledge

2662
01:48:52,950 --> 01:48:51,600
right so again it's it's the same thing

2663
01:48:55,430 --> 01:48:52,960
is

2664
01:48:56,870 --> 01:48:55,440
what i'm getting right yeah we see it

2665
01:48:59,510 --> 01:48:56,880
all all over the place in

2666
01:49:01,270 --> 01:48:59,520
in very similar form also in the left

2667
01:49:03,109 --> 01:49:01,280
hand very often

2668
01:49:04,790 --> 01:49:03,119
in the at least to the near east you see

2669
01:49:06,390 --> 01:49:04,800
them holding a pomegranate or what's

2670
01:49:08,870 --> 01:49:06,400
interpreted to be a pomegranate

2671
01:49:10,470 --> 01:49:08,880
in the left-hand side which is a symbol

2672
01:49:12,870 --> 01:49:10,480
for multiplicity

2673
01:49:14,790 --> 01:49:12,880
and that's the dynamic of

2674
01:49:18,149 --> 01:49:14,800
non-materiality to materiality

2675
01:49:20,310 --> 01:49:18,159
is unity to multiplicity um

2676
01:49:21,189 --> 01:49:20,320
now i'm going to change subjects a

2677
01:49:24,709 --> 01:49:21,199
little bit

2678
01:49:28,390 --> 01:49:24,719
not really but when we look at

2679
01:49:32,470 --> 01:49:28,400
the different winged uh features

2680
01:49:35,589 --> 01:49:32,480
above the doorways throughout egypt

2681
01:49:37,430 --> 01:49:35,599
this is the same representation nearly

2682
01:49:40,390 --> 01:49:37,440
identical whether you want to

2683
01:49:42,310 --> 01:49:40,400
say it's isis or or how you want to

2684
01:49:45,430 --> 01:49:42,320
represent it in egypt

2685
01:49:46,149 --> 01:49:45,440
but we see that in mesopotamia too as

2686
01:49:49,910 --> 01:49:46,159
well

2687
01:49:53,510 --> 01:49:49,920
nearly identical right

2688
01:49:53,990 --> 01:49:53,520
um well let's uh if we can move back to

2689
01:50:00,709 --> 01:49:54,000
the

2690
01:50:02,790 --> 01:50:00,719
um whatever i called ao2 image right

2691
01:50:04,390 --> 01:50:02,800
okay we were talking about the vulture

2692
01:50:07,270 --> 01:50:04,400
at the bottom with the ball

2693
01:50:07,750 --> 01:50:07,280
on its wing that's right the symbolism

2694
01:50:09,910 --> 01:50:07,760
there

2695
01:50:11,990 --> 01:50:09,920
as i understand it it has to do with

2696
01:50:13,589 --> 01:50:12,000
expressing the concept of an equinox or

2697
01:50:15,910 --> 01:50:13,599
of a solstice

2698
01:50:16,870 --> 01:50:15,920
that that's the sun out on the edge of

2699
01:50:19,030 --> 01:50:16,880
the wing

2700
01:50:19,910 --> 01:50:19,040
as a way of representing the idea of the

2701
01:50:22,550 --> 01:50:19,920
solstice

2702
01:50:23,030 --> 01:50:22,560
and in fact the little tp shape marks

2703
01:50:26,070 --> 01:50:23,040
you see

2704
01:50:29,910 --> 01:50:26,080
above that ball

2705
01:50:33,270 --> 01:50:29,920
you find repeated on etched into a stone

2706
01:50:36,390 --> 01:50:33,280
at scarbrey might well be

2707
01:50:37,990 --> 01:50:36,400
a method of counting the days

2708
01:50:39,830 --> 01:50:38,000
or weeks that you know whatever the

2709
01:50:42,390 --> 01:50:39,840
period of time that passes

2710
01:50:44,390 --> 01:50:42,400
between solstices or between equinoxes

2711
01:50:48,070 --> 01:50:44,400
and solstices

2712
01:50:50,709 --> 01:50:48,080
and the the same

2713
01:50:51,750 --> 01:50:50,719
without pulling up uh images here to

2714
01:50:54,870 --> 01:50:51,760
describe

2715
01:50:58,950 --> 01:50:54,880
we see the same sun and wings

2716
01:51:01,669 --> 01:50:58,960
once again um in mesopotamia and egypt

2717
01:51:02,550 --> 01:51:01,679
and we we all see them why would they

2718
01:51:06,149 --> 01:51:02,560
have it at the

2719
01:51:07,990 --> 01:51:06,159
the top of doorways okay so this this

2720
01:51:10,149 --> 01:51:08,000
brings us to the third set of images

2721
01:51:11,990 --> 01:51:10,159
that i said to you okay

2722
01:51:13,830 --> 01:51:12,000
relate to the concept of what the

2723
01:51:16,390 --> 01:51:13,840
egyptians called an akat

2724
01:51:18,629 --> 01:51:16,400
the first of this next set is the

2725
01:51:20,629 --> 01:51:18,639
egyptian akat glyph

2726
01:51:21,669 --> 01:51:20,639
and what it's interpreted to represent

2727
01:51:23,510 --> 01:51:21,679
is the sun

2728
01:51:24,870 --> 01:51:23,520
either rising or setting between two

2729
01:51:27,910 --> 01:51:24,880
mountains

2730
01:51:29,990 --> 01:51:27,920
now the word akat combines two

2731
01:51:32,310 --> 01:51:30,000
two phonetic values two egyptian words

2732
01:51:36,950 --> 01:51:32,320
ak is a word for light

2733
01:51:40,870 --> 01:51:36,960
and het is a word for sanctuary

2734
01:51:44,229 --> 01:51:40,880
so a shrine or a sanctuary so the aquat

2735
01:51:46,310 --> 01:51:44,239
automatically phonetically it inherently

2736
01:51:48,709 --> 01:51:46,320
defines the concept of a light shrine a

2737
01:51:51,430 --> 01:51:48,719
light sanctuary now that

2738
01:51:53,189 --> 01:51:51,440
that's very similar to the concept that

2739
01:51:55,189 --> 01:51:53,199
we saw go back to tepe where there are

2740
01:51:56,870 --> 01:51:55,199
multiple representations of

2741
01:51:58,950 --> 01:51:56,880
non-material and material energies

2742
01:52:03,030 --> 01:51:58,960
coming together this is just another way

2743
01:52:06,070 --> 01:52:03,040
of representing it but

2744
01:52:08,790 --> 01:52:06,080
the the figure again

2745
01:52:10,790 --> 01:52:08,800
has has meaning on two levels it's

2746
01:52:13,350 --> 01:52:10,800
cosmological on one level but

2747
01:52:13,990 --> 01:52:13,360
uh the dogans say they were instructed

2748
01:52:17,189 --> 01:52:14,000
in a

2749
01:52:18,790 --> 01:52:17,199
civilizing plan whose main focus was on

2750
01:52:21,109 --> 01:52:18,800
agriculture

2751
01:52:21,830 --> 01:52:21,119
and that was tagged very closely very

2752
01:52:25,030 --> 01:52:21,840
intimately

2753
01:52:26,070 --> 01:52:25,040
to a symbolic cosmology so the same

2754
01:52:30,470 --> 01:52:26,080
symbol

2755
01:52:34,070 --> 01:52:30,480
has significance for agriculture

2756
01:52:36,870 --> 01:52:34,080
the significance is that

2757
01:52:38,550 --> 01:52:36,880
ancient cultures needed to know when to

2758
01:52:40,470 --> 01:52:38,560
plant the crops

2759
01:52:42,310 --> 01:52:40,480
they needed to know when to plant and

2760
01:52:44,470 --> 01:52:42,320
when to harvest and it's important

2761
01:52:45,669 --> 01:52:44,480
if you do it at the wrong time if you do

2762
01:52:47,270 --> 01:52:45,679
it the right time

2763
01:52:48,870 --> 01:52:47,280
you get a much better result than if you

2764
01:52:52,390 --> 01:52:48,880
do it at the wrong time

2765
01:52:54,310 --> 01:52:52,400
and so trying to have some sort of

2766
01:52:56,149 --> 01:52:54,320
visibility on the seasons of the year

2767
01:52:57,189 --> 01:52:56,159
was important for that process to work

2768
01:53:00,229 --> 01:52:57,199
out the way that it should

2769
01:53:02,550 --> 01:53:00,239
so the ocad was connected to that it was

2770
01:53:05,830 --> 01:53:02,560
a way of giving visibility to that

2771
01:53:07,589 --> 01:53:05,840
if we go to the second image we'll see

2772
01:53:09,750 --> 01:53:07,599
a picture of elephantine this is a

2773
01:53:12,470 --> 01:53:09,760
mountain that can be viewed

2774
01:53:13,350 --> 01:53:12,480
from elephantine island in the south of

2775
01:53:15,830 --> 01:53:13,360
egypt

2776
01:53:16,709 --> 01:53:15,840
around 4000 bc is when elephantine

2777
01:53:20,149 --> 01:53:16,719
became

2778
01:53:22,070 --> 01:53:20,159
significant this photo was connected

2779
01:53:23,750 --> 01:53:22,080
with a caption by the person who posted

2780
01:53:26,390 --> 01:53:23,760
it who lives in elephantine

2781
01:53:28,070 --> 01:53:26,400
and they commented we can tell by the

2782
01:53:30,790 --> 01:53:28,080
position of the sun that summer is about

2783
01:53:34,550 --> 01:53:33,990
they use that mountain with the gap sort

2784
01:53:36,950 --> 01:53:34,560
of the gap

2785
01:53:39,189 --> 01:53:36,960
in between two mountains as a way of

2786
01:53:41,910 --> 01:53:39,199
judge of gauging where the sun

2787
01:53:42,470 --> 01:53:41,920
is where the seasonality is as the the

2788
01:53:44,070 --> 01:53:42,480
sun

2789
01:53:46,310 --> 01:53:44,080
moves back and forth and through that

2790
01:53:47,030 --> 01:53:46,320
gap they have visibility on where they

2791
01:53:49,589 --> 01:53:47,040
are in the

2792
01:53:50,149 --> 01:53:49,599
calendar year and it looks just like the

2793
01:53:52,709 --> 01:53:50,159
aquat

2794
01:53:53,510 --> 01:53:52,719
glyph right looks just like the icat

2795
01:53:57,030 --> 01:53:53,520
cliff

2796
01:53:57,990 --> 01:53:57,040
that's 4000 bc now with the next picture

2797
01:54:01,350 --> 01:53:58,000
this is

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01:54:04,550 --> 01:54:01,360
around 3200 bc on orkney

2799
01:54:06,870 --> 01:54:04,560
we have what i consider to be the the

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01:54:08,629 --> 01:54:06,880
probably the purest representation of

2801
01:54:10,550 --> 01:54:08,639
the aka cleft now the aka cleft didn't

2802
01:54:13,589 --> 01:54:10,560
come about until after orkney

2803
01:54:16,229 --> 01:54:13,599
so because so many other elements in

2804
01:54:19,750 --> 01:54:16,239
ancient egypt at around 3000 bc

2805
01:54:22,310 --> 01:54:19,760
reflect things on orkney

2806
01:54:23,910 --> 01:54:22,320
my impulse is to say that the occupant

2807
01:54:27,030 --> 01:54:23,920
cliff does too

2808
01:54:29,669 --> 01:54:27,040
now the cosmological import of this

2809
01:54:30,229 --> 01:54:29,679
is very very significant this goes to

2810
01:54:33,750 --> 01:54:30,239
the heart

2811
01:54:35,669 --> 01:54:33,760
of geometry that the buddhists use to

2812
01:54:39,270 --> 01:54:35,679
align shrines it goes to the heart of

2813
01:54:41,550 --> 01:54:39,280
concepts of the cosmology the idea is

2814
01:54:43,830 --> 01:54:41,560
we talked about trying to reconcile

2815
01:54:46,709 --> 01:54:43,840
non-materiality with materiality talking

2816
01:54:48,870 --> 01:54:46,719
about reconciling a circle with square

2817
01:54:50,149 --> 01:54:48,880
well more fundamentally what we're

2818
01:54:53,510 --> 01:54:50,159
trying to reconcile

2819
01:54:54,310 --> 01:54:53,520
is modes of time between those two

2820
01:54:57,189 --> 01:54:54,320
domains

2821
01:54:57,510 --> 01:54:57,199
because time is not experienced the same

2822
01:55:01,350 --> 01:54:57,520
way

2823
01:55:03,910 --> 01:55:01,360
we experience time linearly and that's

2824
01:55:04,790 --> 01:55:03,920
we can think of that in terms of you

2825
01:55:06,790 --> 01:55:04,800
know the

2826
01:55:08,470 --> 01:55:06,800
sun rising in the morning and setting in

2827
01:55:11,189 --> 01:55:08,480
the in the evening

2828
01:55:13,109 --> 01:55:11,199
east and west is a linear representation

2829
01:55:14,709 --> 01:55:13,119
of time that's the dynamic that causes

2830
01:55:15,669 --> 01:55:14,719
the sundial to work and gives us

2831
01:55:18,550 --> 01:55:15,679
visibility

2832
01:55:19,430 --> 01:55:18,560
on time during the day right okay so

2833
01:55:21,830 --> 01:55:19,440
this

2834
01:55:22,470 --> 01:55:21,840
sunset on orkney which can be seen from

2835
01:55:24,790 --> 01:55:22,480
from

2836
01:55:27,589 --> 01:55:24,800
major megalithic sites on orkney they're

2837
01:55:30,149 --> 01:55:27,599
overlooking this

2838
01:55:32,310 --> 01:55:30,159
you can observe the linear motion of

2839
01:55:36,070 --> 01:55:32,320
time following the sun as it sets

2840
01:55:38,149 --> 01:55:36,080
through between those mountains however

2841
01:55:39,589 --> 01:55:38,159
the side-by-side motion which is

2842
01:55:41,910 --> 01:55:39,599
seasonal

2843
01:55:43,790 --> 01:55:41,920
is the second dynamic of time that the

2844
01:55:47,189 --> 01:55:43,800
dogan associate with

2845
01:55:48,550 --> 01:55:47,199
non-materiality and so that shape that

2846
01:55:50,790 --> 01:55:48,560
ocad shape

2847
01:55:52,709 --> 01:55:50,800
automatically reconciles two modes of

2848
01:55:54,709 --> 01:55:52,719
time left and right

2849
01:55:56,390 --> 01:55:54,719
right right left and right seasonal

2850
01:55:59,669 --> 01:55:56,400
change december

2851
01:56:03,510 --> 01:55:59,679
winter solstice all happens right yeah

2852
01:56:06,229 --> 01:56:03,520
right now the point at which

2853
01:56:08,470 --> 01:56:06,239
the two modes of energy between the two

2854
01:56:11,510 --> 01:56:08,480
universes is most direct and least

2855
01:56:13,270 --> 01:56:11,520
impeded is at the equinox well what i'm

2856
01:56:17,030 --> 01:56:13,280
pictured here on orkney is

2857
01:56:19,189 --> 01:56:17,040
the sun setting on the equinox

2858
01:56:21,589 --> 01:56:19,199
and the place it's viewed from is a

2859
01:56:23,189 --> 01:56:21,599
pillar on orkney called the watch stone

2860
01:56:25,750 --> 01:56:23,199
it's the place where you stood to watch

2861
01:56:31,109 --> 01:56:29,270
incredible and so on the day before the

2862
01:56:34,870 --> 01:56:31,119
sun is

2863
01:56:38,709 --> 01:56:34,880
uh uh in the opposite direction

2864
01:56:41,270 --> 01:56:38,719
it is it is still moving to the right

2865
01:56:43,430 --> 01:56:41,280
the day after from that pillar we're

2866
01:56:46,229 --> 01:56:43,440
going to see the sun moving back to

2867
01:56:48,310 --> 01:56:46,239
the left for the first time well it's a

2868
01:56:52,709 --> 01:56:48,320
very very slow progression across

2869
01:56:55,030 --> 01:56:52,719
but by the by the winter equinox

2870
01:56:56,470 --> 01:56:55,040
you have it i mean the winter solstice

2871
01:56:57,589 --> 01:56:56,480
you have the sun setting over the

2872
01:57:01,189 --> 01:56:57,599
leftmost mountain

2873
01:57:02,790 --> 01:57:01,199
right um and actually it sets over the

2874
01:57:04,229 --> 01:57:02,800
leftmost mountain and you can just see

2875
01:57:06,709 --> 01:57:04,239
that the tip of it

2876
01:57:07,350 --> 01:57:06,719
down in the left corner of that central

2877
01:57:13,830 --> 01:57:07,360
um

2878
01:57:16,149 --> 01:57:13,840
on the winter solstice that's you can

2879
01:57:17,910 --> 01:57:16,159
uh observe the sun there same thing on

2880
01:57:20,950 --> 01:57:17,920
the other side with the summer

2881
01:57:23,589 --> 01:57:20,960
um solstice so you get

2882
01:57:25,109 --> 01:57:23,599
direct visibility on on that process

2883
01:57:27,109 --> 01:57:25,119
cosmologically and for

2884
01:57:30,390 --> 01:57:27,119
purposes of agriculture using that

2885
01:57:33,830 --> 01:57:30,400
mountain now in hinduism

2886
01:57:35,350 --> 01:57:33,840
they flatly say that their important

2887
01:57:37,270 --> 01:57:35,360
sites were deliberately

2888
01:57:39,109 --> 01:57:37,280
situated in view of mountains that

2889
01:57:42,390 --> 01:57:39,119
resemble these

2890
01:57:45,510 --> 01:57:42,400
they relate the mountains to elephants

2891
01:57:49,430 --> 01:57:45,520
and the elephants are connected with the

2892
01:57:52,550 --> 01:57:51,910
and i can cite you any number of places

2893
01:57:54,310 --> 01:57:52,560
where

2894
01:57:56,550 --> 01:57:54,320
this relationship between sun and

2895
01:57:57,430 --> 01:57:56,560
mountain works the same way it happens

2896
01:58:00,390 --> 01:57:57,440
at abydos

2897
01:58:01,270 --> 01:58:00,400
in egypt at 3000 bc or just after 3000

2898
01:58:03,510 --> 01:58:01,280
bc

2899
01:58:04,470 --> 01:58:03,520
when och not in 1500 years later we

2900
01:58:07,910 --> 01:58:04,480
established

2901
01:58:10,870 --> 01:58:07,920
his capital city at akataten

2902
01:58:12,229 --> 01:58:10,880
which was up the nile river south on the

2903
01:58:15,750 --> 01:58:12,239
nile river from where

2904
01:58:18,950 --> 01:58:15,760
um where abaddos is he deliberately

2905
01:58:21,589 --> 01:58:18,960
set it with pillars to observe the

2906
01:58:23,830 --> 01:58:21,599
same function of the sun only at sunrise

2907
01:58:25,669 --> 01:58:23,840
rather than sunset

2908
01:58:27,669 --> 01:58:25,679
but from that pillar you can observe the

2909
01:58:29,350 --> 01:58:27,679
exactly the same functions of the sun

2910
01:58:31,430 --> 01:58:29,360
moving left and right and setting in the

2911
01:58:33,990 --> 01:58:31,440
center at the equinox

2912
01:58:35,669 --> 01:58:34,000
absolutely fascinating it's fascinating

2913
01:58:36,310 --> 01:58:35,679
we've got these two images here i'm

2914
01:58:39,109 --> 01:58:36,320
going to post

2915
01:58:40,629 --> 01:58:39,119
them up during the break and we'll

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01:58:41,990 --> 01:58:40,639
actually take our break here when we

2917
01:58:45,430 --> 01:58:42,000
come back

2918
01:58:48,470 --> 01:58:45,440
i'll show everybody sunrise from um

2919
01:58:52,070 --> 01:58:48,480
uh akhenaten and also the

2920
01:58:53,910 --> 01:58:52,080
solstice sunset uh over giza which is

2921
01:58:56,070 --> 01:58:53,920
absolutely fascinating as well stay

2922
01:58:56,390 --> 01:58:56,080
right there laird let's take our break

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of egypt week here on fade to black our

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last segment with

3056
02:04:44,550 --> 02:04:41,840
laird scranton and uh

3057
02:04:45,189 --> 02:04:44,560
i just posted up in twitter the uh the

3058
02:04:49,350 --> 02:04:45,199
last two

3059
02:04:55,030 --> 02:04:49,360
images one of uh how did akhenaten say

3060
02:04:58,390 --> 02:04:56,790
right so it's based on the concept of

3061
02:05:01,669 --> 02:04:58,400
the aquet

3062
02:05:03,109 --> 02:05:01,679
it's situated overlooking two hills two

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mountains actually we have that that's

3064
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the next photo

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02:05:11,189 --> 02:05:08,400
the the fourth photo in that c series is

3066
02:05:12,149 --> 02:05:11,199
the view from from his capital city of

3067
02:05:15,350 --> 02:05:12,159
the sun

3068
02:05:18,709 --> 02:05:15,360
on the winter uh solstice

3069
02:05:21,669 --> 02:05:18,719
that is the akkid glyph right

3070
02:05:23,510 --> 02:05:21,679
that i know i mean that is the octagon

3071
02:05:25,830 --> 02:05:23,520
you can't mistake it

3072
02:05:26,629 --> 02:05:25,840
right and um he deliberately positioned

3073
02:05:29,750 --> 02:05:26,639
the

3074
02:05:33,189 --> 02:05:29,760
up to

3075
02:05:35,109 --> 02:05:33,199
to be able to track it um

3076
02:05:37,189 --> 02:05:35,119
the idea and any number of ancient

3077
02:05:38,709 --> 02:05:37,199
cultures use the same technique

3078
02:05:40,550 --> 02:05:38,719
in connection with agriculture and

3079
02:05:43,669 --> 02:05:40,560
connection with cosmology

3080
02:05:43,990 --> 02:05:43,679
and it's either framed in terms of two

3081
02:05:47,030 --> 02:05:44,000
hill

3082
02:05:49,350 --> 02:05:47,040
with a gap in between

3083
02:05:50,709 --> 02:05:49,360
or it's framed over the top of one hill

3084
02:05:53,030 --> 02:05:50,719
that looks like a

3085
02:05:54,550 --> 02:05:53,040
reclining elephant and so they can watch

3086
02:05:55,589 --> 02:05:54,560
the sun move across the back of the

3087
02:06:01,830 --> 02:05:55,599
elephant

3088
02:06:02,470 --> 02:06:01,840
that connects into hinduism and ganesha

3089
02:06:06,709 --> 02:06:02,480
and

3090
02:06:08,310 --> 02:06:06,719
um with a lot of similar symbolism um

3091
02:06:10,870 --> 02:06:08,320
we we see on the on the picture here

3092
02:06:13,589 --> 02:06:10,880
about nothing

3093
02:06:14,709 --> 02:06:13,599
the focus of his his revised religion

3094
02:06:17,910 --> 02:06:14,719
was on the

3095
02:06:22,629 --> 02:06:17,920
motions of the sun the last image

3096
02:06:24,709 --> 02:06:22,639
which is solstice uh sunset over giza

3097
02:06:25,750 --> 02:06:24,719
it's about as dramatic as it gets isn't

3098
02:06:29,350 --> 02:06:25,760
it

3099
02:06:32,550 --> 02:06:29,360
also there

3100
02:06:34,069 --> 02:06:32,560
to be able to see sunset over

3101
02:06:35,669 --> 02:06:34,079
marking it against the back of the

3102
02:06:38,790 --> 02:06:35,679
sphinx in the same way

3103
02:06:41,830 --> 02:06:38,800
as it's being marked over the mountains

3104
02:06:44,950 --> 02:06:43,750
it's a way of tracking where you are in

3105
02:06:47,830 --> 02:06:44,960
the in the ear

3106
02:06:49,510 --> 02:06:47,840
and because it has particularly

3107
02:06:49,910 --> 02:06:49,520
particular cosmological significance

3108
02:06:52,950 --> 02:06:49,920
that's

3109
02:06:55,589 --> 02:06:52,960
uh why the equinox is so important to

3110
02:06:59,589 --> 02:06:55,599
holidays and various traditions

3111
02:07:03,030 --> 02:07:01,270
sorry the fall equinox is associated

3112
02:07:07,270 --> 02:07:03,040
with passover

3113
02:07:11,750 --> 02:07:09,910
the name of the holiday conveys the idea

3114
02:07:14,149 --> 02:07:11,760
of the ability to be able to cross over

3115
02:07:16,709 --> 02:07:14,159
between non-materiality and materiality

3116
02:07:17,270 --> 02:07:16,719
in egypt the word for the equinox was

3117
02:07:21,830 --> 02:07:17,280
kepper

3118
02:07:23,430 --> 02:07:21,840
symbolism is non-existence coming into

3119
02:07:26,390 --> 02:07:23,440
existence

3120
02:07:27,350 --> 02:07:26,400
a traditional passover seder ends with

3121
02:07:30,229 --> 02:07:27,360
the participants

3122
02:07:33,109 --> 02:07:30,239
opening a door to the outside to allow a

3123
02:07:33,990 --> 02:07:33,119
non-material entity entity named eliahu

3124
02:07:36,069 --> 02:07:34,000
to enter

3125
02:07:38,390 --> 02:07:36,079
so there the jews were actually acting

3126
02:07:40,470 --> 02:07:38,400
it out every passover

3127
02:07:41,750 --> 02:07:40,480
what is what the nugget is saying say

3128
02:07:45,830 --> 02:07:41,760
happened

3129
02:07:47,109 --> 02:07:45,840
um that non-material energy came into

3130
02:07:50,550 --> 02:07:47,119
materiality and

3131
02:07:55,189 --> 02:07:50,560
interacted does the uh

3132
02:07:58,470 --> 02:07:55,199
same uh uh

3133
02:08:01,750 --> 02:07:58,480
uh is it is it occurring

3134
02:08:04,870 --> 02:08:01,760
in in luxor is it occurring in edfu

3135
02:08:06,229 --> 02:08:04,880
is it incur it does it happen in in

3136
02:08:09,510 --> 02:08:06,239
karnak

3137
02:08:11,910 --> 02:08:09,520
uh abbados uh uh

3138
02:08:13,270 --> 02:08:11,920
you know uh other other temples

3139
02:08:14,629 --> 02:08:13,280
throughout egypt

3140
02:08:17,109 --> 02:08:14,639
i don't i don't know where it's

3141
02:08:18,069 --> 02:08:17,119
primarily celebrated i know that abidos

3142
02:08:22,069 --> 02:08:18,079
which was

3143
02:08:26,709 --> 02:08:22,079
the very early center in dynastic egypt

3144
02:08:28,870 --> 02:08:26,719
um expressly situated itself to be in

3145
02:08:31,189 --> 02:08:28,880
view of those mountains

3146
02:08:32,550 --> 02:08:31,199
so such a fascinating form of uh

3147
02:08:36,870 --> 02:08:32,560
symbolism

3148
02:08:41,589 --> 02:08:36,880
uh what do we do with uh uh ra

3149
02:08:46,629 --> 02:08:44,709
ra is

3150
02:08:48,790 --> 02:08:46,639
okay let's back up a little bit we're

3151
02:08:51,189 --> 02:08:48,800
talking about icons for non-materiality

3152
02:08:54,390 --> 02:08:51,199
and materiality that's right

3153
02:08:56,510 --> 02:08:54,400
one of the metaphors is that the bright

3154
02:08:58,069 --> 02:08:56,520
star sirius becomes an icon for

3155
02:08:59,990 --> 02:08:58,079
non-materiality

3156
02:09:01,189 --> 02:09:00,000
and the sun becomes an icon for

3157
02:09:03,510 --> 02:09:01,199
materiality the sun

3158
02:09:04,310 --> 02:09:03,520
has raw or other cultures the sun

3159
02:09:06,470 --> 02:09:04,320
becomes an

3160
02:09:09,189 --> 02:09:06,480
ancient chinese culture for example the

3161
02:09:12,870 --> 02:09:09,199
sun became an icon for materiality

3162
02:09:15,270 --> 02:09:12,880
now in these cultures the year began new

3163
02:09:18,470 --> 02:09:15,280
year's day was the day

3164
02:09:21,189 --> 02:09:18,480
when sirius and the sun were mo

3165
02:09:23,270 --> 02:09:21,199
closest to each other um the way the

3166
02:09:25,189 --> 02:09:23,280
dynamics of our orbit work

3167
02:09:27,270 --> 02:09:25,199
um there's a period of time where we

3168
02:09:29,430 --> 02:09:27,280
can't see sirius because

3169
02:09:30,870 --> 02:09:29,440
it's so it's hidden by the glare of our

3170
02:09:32,550 --> 02:09:30,880
sun it's situated

3171
02:09:34,149 --> 02:09:32,560
within the sphere of where the glare of

3172
02:09:38,229 --> 02:09:34,159
that sun hides it from us

3173
02:09:40,709 --> 02:09:38,239
and then suddenly on that new year's day

3174
02:09:41,830 --> 02:09:40,719
the sun sirius is seen to rise just

3175
02:09:44,550 --> 02:09:41,840
before the sunset

3176
02:09:46,870 --> 02:09:44,560
or before the sunrise it's called the

3177
02:09:49,350 --> 02:09:46,880
helical rising of sirius

3178
02:09:50,550 --> 02:09:49,360
and the dogan refer to that as sirius

3179
02:09:52,390 --> 02:09:50,560
meets the sun

3180
02:09:53,669 --> 02:09:52,400
but the reason it's significant is

3181
02:09:56,390 --> 02:09:53,679
because

3182
02:09:57,510 --> 02:09:56,400
it represents that same concept of the

3183
02:10:00,069 --> 02:09:57,520
point at which

3184
02:10:01,189 --> 02:10:00,079
non-materiality materiality are most uh

3185
02:10:04,470 --> 02:10:01,199
connected

3186
02:10:07,910 --> 02:10:04,480
where they come together the

3187
02:10:10,709 --> 02:10:07,920
uh the other part of that and what i'm

3188
02:10:11,990 --> 02:10:10,719
what i'm what i'm getting at directly

3189
02:10:16,390 --> 02:10:12,000
here is

3190
02:10:19,430 --> 02:10:16,400
that the sun represented

3191
02:10:22,950 --> 02:10:19,440
safety i guess you could say right

3192
02:10:24,550 --> 02:10:22,960
now we're in daylight right you don't

3193
02:10:25,830 --> 02:10:24,560
have the creatures of the night you're

3194
02:10:28,069 --> 02:10:25,840
not going to get it you know

3195
02:10:29,270 --> 02:10:28,079
and and the things that knight

3196
02:10:33,030 --> 02:10:29,280
represented

3197
02:10:33,990 --> 02:10:33,040
an unsafe uh area but the rising of the

3198
02:10:36,310 --> 02:10:34,000
sun

3199
02:10:37,669 --> 02:10:36,320
everything is uh we're we're back to

3200
02:10:40,229 --> 02:10:37,679
normality

3201
02:10:40,950 --> 02:10:40,239
right back to back to materiality that

3202
02:10:44,470 --> 02:10:40,960
is

3203
02:10:47,669 --> 02:10:44,480
symbolic of non-material

3204
02:10:49,270 --> 02:10:47,679
daytime symbolic materiality now

3205
02:10:51,430 --> 02:10:49,280
there's a difference in the way we judge

3206
02:10:52,870 --> 02:10:51,440
time between day and night too anciently

3207
02:10:53,990 --> 02:10:52,880
i mean in the daytime you use the

3208
02:10:56,870 --> 02:10:54,000
sundial

3209
02:10:58,790 --> 02:10:56,880
which marks off in sort of little

3210
02:11:01,270 --> 02:10:58,800
increments like a clock does

3211
02:11:03,750 --> 02:11:01,280
the shadows being passed by the the

3212
02:11:07,270 --> 02:11:03,760
gnomon in the center of the sundial

3213
02:11:09,430 --> 02:11:07,280
at night the way they told time was they

3214
02:11:11,189 --> 02:11:09,440
conceptualized groups of stars as

3215
02:11:14,069 --> 02:11:11,199
constellations

3216
02:11:15,270 --> 02:11:14,079
that were spaced about a thousand miles

3217
02:11:17,350 --> 02:11:15,280
apart about about an

3218
02:11:19,030 --> 02:11:17,360
hour apart from each other in terms of

3219
02:11:21,430 --> 02:11:19,040
how they rose above the

3220
02:11:23,430 --> 02:11:21,440
horizon at night and so when you saw

3221
02:11:24,550 --> 02:11:23,440
orion rise above the horizon i knew what

3222
02:11:26,709 --> 02:11:24,560
time it was

3223
02:11:28,950 --> 02:11:26,719
this is a clock that was tracking uh

3224
02:11:32,069 --> 02:11:28,960
hours at night

3225
02:11:34,629 --> 02:11:32,079
the dogans say that time

3226
02:11:35,750 --> 02:11:34,639
in a material sense it represents a

3227
02:11:37,589 --> 02:11:35,760
glimpse

3228
02:11:39,830 --> 02:11:37,599
and in the non-non-material sense

3229
02:11:41,830 --> 02:11:39,840
represents a glance it's a bigger

3230
02:11:42,950 --> 02:11:41,840
bigger chunk of time that's experienced

3231
02:11:44,550 --> 02:11:42,960
in the same moment

3232
02:11:46,229 --> 02:11:44,560
that goes back to what i was talking

3233
02:11:47,910 --> 02:11:46,239
about with

3234
02:11:51,030 --> 02:11:47,920
if there were non-material influences on

3235
02:11:53,189 --> 02:11:51,040
those stones that it's thinkable that

3236
02:11:54,069 --> 02:11:53,199
they took the smallest chunk they could

3237
02:11:55,430 --> 02:11:54,079
take and

3238
02:11:57,669 --> 02:11:55,440
at that period of time the smallest

3239
02:12:00,550 --> 02:11:57,679
chunk was 700 tons

3240
02:12:00,870 --> 02:12:00,560
the doga didn't have a written language

3241
02:12:04,550 --> 02:12:00,880
they

3242
02:12:06,870 --> 02:12:04,560
have a written language

3243
02:12:08,629 --> 02:12:06,880
because they see written language

3244
02:12:09,910 --> 02:12:08,639
essentially as being a security breach

3245
02:12:11,830 --> 02:12:09,920
waiting to happen

3246
02:12:13,510 --> 02:12:11,840
that when you're communicating orally

3247
02:12:14,629 --> 02:12:13,520
with somebody you have control over who

3248
02:12:16,870 --> 02:12:14,639
hears what

3249
02:12:18,069 --> 02:12:16,880
and who's privy to what as soon as you

3250
02:12:22,149 --> 02:12:18,079
write it down

3251
02:12:23,830 --> 02:12:22,159
you don't also

3252
02:12:25,750 --> 02:12:23,840
these are complicated subjects and when

3253
02:12:27,589 --> 02:12:25,760
you have someone who understands has an

3254
02:12:30,149 --> 02:12:27,599
overview of the subject

3255
02:12:31,750 --> 02:12:30,159
then you can ask for clarification on

3256
02:12:34,149 --> 02:12:31,760
the points you don't get

3257
02:12:36,550 --> 02:12:34,159
if it's written down it's subject to

3258
02:12:38,629 --> 02:12:36,560
misinterpretation and misunderstanding

3259
02:12:40,870 --> 02:12:38,639
and so the cultures that did the best

3260
02:12:42,870 --> 02:12:40,880
job of carrying this material forward

3261
02:12:44,870 --> 02:12:42,880
in my experience are the ones who never

3262
02:12:49,109 --> 02:12:44,880
adopted written language

3263
02:12:53,830 --> 02:12:49,119
but the dogan did have uh

3264
02:12:57,109 --> 02:12:53,840
icons they did they have drawings

3265
02:13:00,149 --> 02:12:57,119
so when they're talking about um

3266
02:13:01,990 --> 02:13:00,159
the action of electrons they

3267
02:13:03,189 --> 02:13:02,000
support that with a drawing that looks

3268
02:13:07,030 --> 02:13:03,199
for all the world like

3269
02:13:11,030 --> 02:13:09,830
and i've i've seen this and i've seen

3270
02:13:14,830 --> 02:13:11,040
and listened to

3271
02:13:16,620 --> 02:13:14,840
your uh explanation of this

3272
02:13:18,790 --> 02:13:16,630
but the

3273
02:13:21,669 --> 02:13:18,800
[Laughter]

3274
02:13:22,069 --> 02:13:21,679
somebody like me that is the first thing

3275
02:13:24,790 --> 02:13:22,079
is

3276
02:13:26,069 --> 02:13:24,800
how could they possibly know about the

3277
02:13:29,589 --> 02:13:26,079
quantum

3278
02:13:32,870 --> 02:13:29,599
how can they even come close

3279
02:13:35,910 --> 02:13:32,880
to these concepts that not only

3280
02:13:39,189 --> 02:13:35,920
you can't see but today

3281
02:13:41,750 --> 02:13:39,199
physicists represent all of this uh

3282
02:13:43,189 --> 02:13:41,760
with drawings and numbers they can't see

3283
02:13:45,270 --> 02:13:43,199
these things either

3284
02:13:46,229 --> 02:13:45,280
how is it possible that the dogan had

3285
02:13:48,470 --> 02:13:46,239
this information

3286
02:13:49,589 --> 02:13:48,480
and were able to represent it with

3287
02:13:51,350 --> 02:13:49,599
symbols

3288
02:13:53,270 --> 02:13:51,360
well the dogan and the buddhists flatly

3289
02:13:54,310 --> 02:13:53,280
tell us they say look back in ancient

3290
02:13:55,990 --> 02:13:54,320
times somebody who

3291
02:13:58,790 --> 02:13:56,000
thoroughly understood all this stuff

3292
02:14:01,910 --> 02:13:58,800
explained it to us

3293
02:14:04,229 --> 02:14:01,920
well take that further laird okay

3294
02:14:06,629 --> 02:14:04,239
that okay the problem are as i said the

3295
02:14:07,350 --> 02:14:06,639
pro inherent problem we have is we have

3296
02:14:08,870 --> 02:14:07,360
no

3297
02:14:11,030 --> 02:14:08,880
credible candidates for who those

3298
02:14:12,870 --> 02:14:11,040
teachers might have been

3299
02:14:14,069 --> 02:14:12,880
but if you look at what the symbolism

3300
02:14:16,470 --> 02:14:14,079
represents

3301
02:14:17,189 --> 02:14:16,480
starting with what the ancient cultures

3302
02:14:20,390 --> 02:14:17,199
themselves

3303
02:14:22,229 --> 02:14:20,400
say this is what it represents and

3304
02:14:24,149 --> 02:14:22,239
they're saying it represents science

3305
02:14:25,830 --> 02:14:24,159
it's they're saying it represents

3306
02:14:27,510 --> 02:14:25,840
the equivalent of an atom the equivalent

3307
02:14:28,790 --> 02:14:27,520
of an electron the equivalent of smaller

3308
02:14:31,510 --> 02:14:28,800
particles than that

3309
02:14:33,270 --> 02:14:31,520
the equivalent of concepts of energy and

3310
02:14:35,030 --> 02:14:33,280
so forth

3311
02:14:37,109 --> 02:14:35,040
when you take what they say at face

3312
02:14:38,950 --> 02:14:37,119
value and you start to test

3313
02:14:41,189 --> 02:14:38,960
could there be a scientific basis to

3314
02:14:42,870 --> 02:14:41,199
this you find there absolutely is

3315
02:14:45,350 --> 02:14:42,880
their descriptions are absolutely

3316
02:14:47,270 --> 02:14:45,360
scientific and the drawings they use to

3317
02:14:48,709 --> 02:14:47,280
support the descriptions are absolutely

3318
02:14:49,350 --> 02:14:48,719
scientific they have it right on the

3319
02:14:51,189 --> 02:14:49,360
nose

3320
02:14:53,350 --> 02:14:51,199
and they even carry it further than the

3321
02:14:55,030 --> 02:14:53,360
scientists do and it goes for the dog

3322
02:14:56,550 --> 02:14:55,040
and it goes down to

3323
02:14:58,229 --> 02:14:56,560
one of the things i'm working on it'll

3324
02:15:00,069 --> 02:14:58,239
be the subject of the

3325
02:15:01,270 --> 02:15:00,079
not not the book i'm planning to publish

3326
02:15:04,870 --> 02:15:01,280
at the end of this year but

3327
02:15:06,470 --> 02:15:04,880
one beyond that deals with

3328
02:15:08,390 --> 02:15:06,480
what energies look like at the very

3329
02:15:08,709 --> 02:15:08,400
bottom of the structure where it starts

3330
02:15:11,669 --> 02:15:08,719
out

3331
02:15:15,589 --> 02:15:11,679
how how you get from a domain of

3332
02:15:19,430 --> 02:15:15,599
strictly energy to what we see right now

3333
02:15:19,910 --> 02:15:19,440
the the symbolism that we are referring

3334
02:15:30,390 --> 02:15:19,920
to

3335
02:15:32,310 --> 02:15:30,400
in hieroglyphs didn't it right yeah the

3336
02:15:33,990 --> 02:15:32,320
egyptian hieroglyphic

3337
02:15:35,750 --> 02:15:34,000
language is based on all those same

3338
02:15:37,910 --> 02:15:35,760
concepts and symbols

3339
02:15:39,830 --> 02:15:37,920
the dogan cosmological words are very

3340
02:15:40,470 --> 02:15:39,840
often ancient egyptian cosmological

3341
02:15:42,790 --> 02:15:40,480
words

3342
02:15:43,830 --> 02:15:42,800
carrying the same clusters of meanings

3343
02:15:46,870 --> 02:15:43,840
using the same

3344
02:15:49,270 --> 02:15:46,880
shape drawing to represent it

3345
02:15:50,149 --> 02:15:49,280
and you can use one to cross check the

3346
02:15:52,550 --> 02:15:50,159
other and the

3347
02:15:54,550 --> 02:15:52,560
hieroglyphs have the advantage that each

3348
02:15:55,750 --> 02:15:54,560
word explains its own meaning to us we

3349
02:15:57,430 --> 02:15:55,760
don't have to guess

3350
02:15:59,910 --> 02:15:57,440
we can look at the glyphs used to write

3351
02:16:01,990 --> 02:15:59,920
the word and they've told us

3352
02:16:03,669 --> 02:16:02,000
flat out what the nuances of meaning are

3353
02:16:05,990 --> 02:16:03,679
they're trying to express

3354
02:16:07,830 --> 02:16:06,000
well we know that there wasn't an ocean

3355
02:16:11,589 --> 02:16:07,840
uh in between

3356
02:16:13,350 --> 02:16:11,599
the dogen and uh egypt but it's still a

3357
02:16:17,109 --> 02:16:13,360
heck of a walk

3358
02:16:20,149 --> 02:16:17,119
and not to make light of it

3359
02:16:23,830 --> 02:16:20,159
but how do you uh

3360
02:16:26,069 --> 02:16:23,840
suppose that the communication

3361
02:16:28,069 --> 02:16:26,079
uh went between the dogan and the

3362
02:16:31,669 --> 02:16:28,079
egyptians and and what

3363
02:16:34,230 --> 02:16:31,679
what time are we talking about here

3364
02:16:35,509 --> 02:16:34,240
the dynamic as i see it begin to go back

3365
02:16:38,070 --> 02:16:35,519
to tepe when

3366
02:16:39,830 --> 02:16:38,080
we have an era of instruction where any

3367
02:16:41,190 --> 02:16:39,840
number of regional groups were

3368
02:16:46,070 --> 02:16:41,200
instructed in this

3369
02:16:49,270 --> 02:16:46,080
symbolic tradition now

3370
02:16:51,030 --> 02:16:49,280
some six thousand years later there's a

3371
02:16:52,950 --> 02:16:51,040
second round of instruction that happens

3372
02:16:55,429 --> 02:16:52,960
on orkney island

3373
02:16:56,870 --> 02:16:55,439
and for that round of instruction that

3374
02:16:59,429 --> 02:16:56,880
looks as if

3375
02:17:01,509 --> 02:16:59,439
the dogen were among a tribal group that

3376
02:17:03,669 --> 02:17:01,519
had done a particularly good job of

3377
02:17:05,669 --> 02:17:03,679
preserving that original instruction and

3378
02:17:08,709 --> 02:17:05,679
so they were enlisted

3379
02:17:10,469 --> 02:17:08,719
as essentially adjunct professors or

3380
02:17:13,750 --> 02:17:10,479
assistant professors

3381
02:17:15,669 --> 02:17:13,760
to be the intermediaries to talk with

3382
02:17:16,469 --> 02:17:15,679
new initiates to explain the step to new

3383
02:17:18,230 --> 02:17:16,479
initiates

3384
02:17:19,750 --> 02:17:18,240
and that every time you had a graduating

3385
02:17:21,030 --> 02:17:19,760
class of initiates they'd go back to

3386
02:17:23,910 --> 02:17:21,040
where they came from

3387
02:17:25,349 --> 02:17:23,920
and uh one or more of the the africans

3388
02:17:27,509 --> 02:17:25,359
would go with them

3389
02:17:28,709 --> 02:17:27,519
serve as priests or to serve as

3390
02:17:31,750 --> 02:17:28,719
initially as

3391
02:17:35,589 --> 02:17:31,760
um rulers to help

3392
02:17:37,509 --> 02:17:35,599
make sure that the um civilized

3393
02:17:39,429 --> 02:17:37,519
structure of society got set up properly

3394
02:17:42,070 --> 02:17:39,439
and whatever that new location was

3395
02:17:43,750 --> 02:17:42,080
yeah are are you suggesting that the

3396
02:17:46,950 --> 02:17:43,760
dogan traveled from

3397
02:17:50,549 --> 02:17:46,960
northern africa to orkney island

3398
02:17:53,030 --> 02:17:50,559
okay if our if our understanding is

3399
02:17:54,309 --> 02:17:53,040
that somebody in those eras was talking

3400
02:17:57,589 --> 02:17:54,319
about

3401
02:17:59,589 --> 02:17:57,599
how energy turns into matter

3402
02:18:00,870 --> 02:17:59,599
then getting around the planet clearly

3403
02:18:04,870 --> 02:18:00,880
was not a problem

3404
02:18:08,230 --> 02:18:04,880
right right so

3405
02:18:10,549 --> 02:18:08,240
uh you ha at some point you have to come

3406
02:18:13,750 --> 02:18:10,559
face to face

3407
02:18:14,309 --> 02:18:13,760
right i mean at some point a teacher and

3408
02:18:17,270 --> 02:18:14,319
student

3409
02:18:17,830 --> 02:18:17,280
have to get together and exchange ideas

3410
02:18:20,389 --> 02:18:17,840
right now

3411
02:18:22,950 --> 02:18:20,399
that was the rationale for conducting

3412
02:18:26,070 --> 02:18:22,960
the instruction in a remote location

3413
02:18:28,389 --> 02:18:26,080
that okay you've read uh

3414
02:18:29,750 --> 02:18:28,399
the biblical passages about moses on the

3415
02:18:31,910 --> 02:18:29,760
mountain with the tablets

3416
02:18:33,509 --> 02:18:31,920
sure and the israelites down at the base

3417
02:18:35,030 --> 02:18:33,519
of the mountain and being cautioned

3418
02:18:35,910 --> 02:18:35,040
against coming too close to the mountain

3419
02:18:37,990 --> 02:18:35,920
because of

3420
02:18:40,309 --> 02:18:38,000
bad effects that could accrue to them if

3421
02:18:42,790 --> 02:18:40,319
they get too close

3422
02:18:43,349 --> 02:18:42,800
right the dogans say that their teachers

3423
02:18:46,950 --> 02:18:43,359
were

3424
02:18:49,429 --> 02:18:46,960
concerned about that same effect on us

3425
02:18:50,309 --> 02:18:49,439
and the way they limited it was they

3426
02:18:52,709 --> 02:18:50,319
took eight

3427
02:18:55,589 --> 02:18:52,719
students at a time from a tribal group

3428
02:18:59,509 --> 02:18:55,599
sequestered them in a remote location

3429
02:19:01,990 --> 02:18:59,519
used the african

3430
02:19:03,750 --> 02:19:02,000
initiates from previous initiates as

3431
02:19:08,629 --> 02:19:03,760
teachers

3432
02:19:12,150 --> 02:19:08,639
the direct contact with the non-material

3433
02:19:14,790 --> 02:19:12,160
teachers and circumvented

3434
02:19:17,110 --> 02:19:14,800
the problems that way that had the very

3435
02:19:18,870 --> 02:19:17,120
minimal amount of contact between the

3436
02:19:20,309 --> 02:19:18,880
direct contact between the non-material

3437
02:19:22,309 --> 02:19:20,319
and the material people

3438
02:19:23,349 --> 02:19:22,319
so the dogen and we all know what the

3439
02:19:26,709 --> 02:19:23,359
dogen looked like

3440
02:19:29,910 --> 02:19:26,719
very unique uh tribe for sure

3441
02:19:32,950 --> 02:19:29,920
um and i would say the coolest of

3442
02:19:35,669 --> 02:19:32,960
of all african tribes but my

3443
02:19:38,150 --> 02:19:35,679
understanding you correctly that the

3444
02:19:41,349 --> 02:19:38,160
dogan

3445
02:19:44,629 --> 02:19:41,359
however they traveled traveled to

3446
02:19:48,549 --> 02:19:44,639
orkney island uh uh

3447
02:19:51,429 --> 02:19:48,559
eight of them in right in in

3448
02:19:52,790 --> 02:19:51,439
looking like dogen right i mean the

3449
02:19:55,830 --> 02:19:52,800
dogen as they

3450
02:19:58,230 --> 02:19:55,840
am i am i picking this up right

3451
02:19:59,349 --> 02:19:58,240
right well they've done dna studies on

3452
02:20:02,469 --> 02:19:59,359
orkney

3453
02:20:03,110 --> 02:20:02,479
and were flabbergasted to find out that

3454
02:20:06,950 --> 02:20:03,120
orkney

3455
02:20:09,270 --> 02:20:06,960
is one of the most unexpectedly diverse

3456
02:20:11,270 --> 02:20:09,280
genetic places on the planet for reasons

3457
02:20:14,550 --> 02:20:11,280
they can't explain

3458
02:20:16,870 --> 02:20:14,560
and among that dna

3459
02:20:18,630 --> 02:20:16,880
one percent of the of modern men who

3460
02:20:20,790 --> 02:20:18,640
have lived their entire lives on orkney

3461
02:20:23,670 --> 02:20:20,800
who are native arcadians

3462
02:20:25,510 --> 02:20:23,680
carry a y haplogroup which is what

3463
02:20:27,190 --> 02:20:25,520
connects the belgian to the egyptians

3464
02:20:30,630 --> 02:20:27,200
and to the berbers and

3465
02:20:30,950 --> 02:20:30,640
other groups in north africa wow that's

3466
02:20:45,830 --> 02:20:30,960
a

3467
02:20:48,150 --> 02:20:45,840
10 or 12 000

3468
02:20:49,349 --> 02:20:48,160
years that's that's that's a long time

3469
02:20:53,110 --> 02:20:49,359
ago

3470
02:20:54,630 --> 02:20:53,120
um and that the dogan did the same mode

3471
02:20:57,830 --> 02:20:54,640
of travel

3472
02:20:59,910 --> 02:20:57,840
at that time period at 10 000 bc and

3473
02:21:02,950 --> 02:20:59,920
travel from north africa

3474
02:21:05,349 --> 02:21:02,960
up to the armenian highlands where

3475
02:21:07,030 --> 02:21:05,359
gold beckley tepe is located today on

3476
02:21:08,630 --> 02:21:07,040
the syrian border

3477
02:21:10,309 --> 02:21:08,640
right but with the aid of the same

3478
02:21:13,590 --> 02:21:10,319
people who are teaching about

3479
02:21:15,510 --> 02:21:13,600
um cosmological science right and what

3480
02:21:17,910 --> 02:21:15,520
what do you think what do you how do you

3481
02:21:21,190 --> 02:21:17,920
think the travel happened

3482
02:21:23,750 --> 02:21:21,200
were they de-materializing or

3483
02:21:25,830 --> 02:21:23,760
right or was there was there actual

3484
02:21:27,830 --> 02:21:25,840
physical travel involved

3485
02:21:29,110 --> 02:21:27,840
flying for instance a lot of these

3486
02:21:31,750 --> 02:21:29,120
groups are

3487
02:21:33,110 --> 02:21:31,760
very skilled seafaring groups and we see

3488
02:21:34,710 --> 02:21:33,120
even

3489
02:21:36,710 --> 02:21:34,720
okay there are associations between

3490
02:21:40,070 --> 02:21:36,720
orkney and um

3491
02:21:42,150 --> 02:21:40,080
and the egyptian field of reeds

3492
02:21:43,510 --> 02:21:42,160
the underworld the place where the soul

3493
02:21:48,230 --> 02:21:43,520
of our deceased person

3494
02:21:53,270 --> 02:21:50,230
the egyptians say that the soul gets

3495
02:21:56,550 --> 02:21:53,280
there traveling by boat

3496
02:22:00,309 --> 02:21:56,560
and we know that the egyptians had ocean

3497
02:22:02,870 --> 02:22:00,319
capable boats um it's not

3498
02:22:04,790 --> 02:22:02,880
unthinkable that a boat travels up the

3499
02:22:09,270 --> 02:22:04,800
nile out into the mediterranean

3500
02:22:09,590 --> 02:22:09,280
out the the pillars of gibraltar and up

3501
02:22:16,710 --> 02:22:09,600
the

3502
02:22:18,950 --> 02:22:16,720
orkney well we have to uh start to

3503
02:22:22,950 --> 02:22:18,960
accept a few things

3504
02:22:25,670 --> 02:22:22,960
and certainly one of them again there

3505
02:22:26,630 --> 02:22:25,680
there is an obvious central point i

3506
02:22:28,230 --> 02:22:26,640
don't know for

3507
02:22:29,429 --> 02:22:28,240
right now it's go back later i don't

3508
02:22:30,150 --> 02:22:29,439
know if we're going to find something

3509
02:22:32,710 --> 02:22:30,160
else uh

3510
02:22:33,190 --> 02:22:32,720
maybe on the opposite sides of the earth

3511
02:22:35,830 --> 02:22:33,200
that

3512
02:22:37,349 --> 02:22:35,840
is older than gobekli tapi and and more

3513
02:22:39,830 --> 02:22:37,359
extraordinary and more

3514
02:22:41,670 --> 02:22:39,840
you know larger and so forth we found

3515
02:22:43,750 --> 02:22:41,680
evidence of a few different sites like

3516
02:22:48,150 --> 02:22:43,760
this that that are possible

3517
02:22:49,510 --> 02:22:48,160
but the the the communication has to

3518
02:22:51,190 --> 02:22:49,520
have happened

3519
02:22:52,870 --> 02:22:51,200
right between these different cultures

3520
02:22:55,510 --> 02:22:52,880
and how did they pull it off

3521
02:22:56,469 --> 02:22:55,520
we have to start looking at alternative

3522
02:22:59,750 --> 02:22:56,479
ways with this

3523
02:23:00,950 --> 02:22:59,760
instead of uh which skeptics out there

3524
02:23:02,469 --> 02:23:00,960
are just going to say well you know what

3525
02:23:05,990 --> 02:23:02,479
it just happened

3526
02:23:07,190 --> 02:23:06,000
don't know how it happened but it

3527
02:23:10,230 --> 02:23:07,200
happened it wasn't

3528
02:23:12,309 --> 02:23:10,240
anything extraordinary

3529
02:23:14,309 --> 02:23:12,319
right there wasn't some technically

3530
02:23:16,469 --> 02:23:14,319
advanced culture out there

3531
02:23:18,070 --> 02:23:16,479
this communication happened somehow but

3532
02:23:20,309 --> 02:23:18,080
we don't know how but it wasn't

3533
02:23:21,590 --> 02:23:20,319
anything that was unbelievable or

3534
02:23:25,990 --> 02:23:21,600
science fiction

3535
02:23:28,469 --> 02:23:26,000
well if we if we understand that um

3536
02:23:29,990 --> 02:23:28,479
a lot of the ufo encounters that have

3537
02:23:32,230 --> 02:23:30,000
been reported you know we've had

3538
02:23:35,750 --> 02:23:32,240
psychologists who study

3539
02:23:38,150 --> 02:23:35,760
individual witness cases and abduction

3540
02:23:40,469 --> 02:23:38,160
cases and so forth with ufos

3541
02:23:41,830 --> 02:23:40,479
who report consistent sets of things

3542
02:23:44,830 --> 02:23:41,840
that happen

3543
02:23:46,389 --> 02:23:44,840
in certain ways and the the images that

3544
02:23:48,790 --> 02:23:46,399
their

3545
02:23:49,590 --> 02:23:48,800
conveying to these psychologists are the

3546
02:23:53,110 --> 02:23:49,600
same

3547
02:23:55,190 --> 02:23:53,120
as the tradition that i'm

3548
02:23:56,150 --> 02:23:55,200
exploring again and again and again and

3549
02:23:59,670 --> 02:23:56,160
again

3550
02:24:02,469 --> 02:23:59,680
so we we see with

3551
02:24:03,030 --> 02:24:02,479
ufo reports what looks for all the world

3552
02:24:06,710 --> 02:24:03,040
like the

3553
02:24:07,990 --> 02:24:06,720
dimensional um effects that the way a

3554
02:24:10,469 --> 02:24:08,000
ufo moves

3555
02:24:11,670 --> 02:24:10,479
is not in keeping with how physics works

3556
02:24:14,710 --> 02:24:11,680
as far as we're concerned

3557
02:24:17,590 --> 02:24:14,720
that's right they're able okay so so

3558
02:24:18,070 --> 02:24:17,600
if we imagine that a similar kind of

3559
02:24:21,190 --> 02:24:18,080
inter

3560
02:24:22,309 --> 02:24:21,200
group was responsible for this

3561
02:24:25,750 --> 02:24:22,319
instruction

3562
02:24:29,990 --> 02:24:25,760
we see what the potential is for

3563
02:24:31,910 --> 02:24:30,000
uh ability to travel well and we have to

3564
02:24:33,830 --> 02:24:31,920
again i keep going back to the same

3565
02:24:36,870 --> 02:24:33,840
point we have to

3566
02:24:39,990 --> 02:24:36,880
uh start thinking in terms of

3567
02:24:42,469 --> 02:24:40,000
uh not only outside of the box but

3568
02:24:44,790 --> 02:24:42,479
what were the ancients constantly

3569
02:24:46,550 --> 02:24:44,800
telling us over and over again from any

3570
02:24:48,469 --> 02:24:46,560
part of the globe

3571
02:24:50,230 --> 02:24:48,479
we were taught we were taught from

3572
02:24:53,270 --> 02:24:50,240
angels we were taught

3573
02:24:55,990 --> 02:24:53,280
from the stars we were taught from

3574
02:24:57,750 --> 02:24:56,000
right our knowledge came from up there

3575
02:24:59,349 --> 02:24:57,760
the design of this came from

3576
02:25:01,190 --> 02:24:59,359
up there what's the up there i don't

3577
02:25:03,429 --> 02:25:01,200
know i was

3578
02:25:04,230 --> 02:25:03,439
uh for for one of the manuscripts i've

3579
02:25:07,270 --> 02:25:04,240
been working on

3580
02:25:08,950 --> 02:25:07,280
i came across an article by an academic

3581
02:25:12,309 --> 02:25:08,960
researcher in the near east

3582
02:25:13,990 --> 02:25:12,319
and he said literally every ancient

3583
02:25:16,309 --> 02:25:14,000
group that he knows of

3584
02:25:17,270 --> 02:25:16,319
makes explicit claims for instruction in

3585
02:25:20,230 --> 02:25:17,280
ancient times

3586
02:25:21,910 --> 02:25:20,240
by somebody more capable than themselves

3587
02:25:24,150 --> 02:25:21,920
and then he goes on to say

3588
02:25:26,710 --> 02:25:24,160
and this long past time we set all that

3589
02:25:29,750 --> 02:25:26,720
nonsense aside

3590
02:25:31,590 --> 02:25:29,760
and i thought you know here you have

3591
02:25:33,030 --> 02:25:31,600
consistent testimony from every group

3592
02:25:35,750 --> 02:25:33,040
and you decide that's

3593
02:25:36,150 --> 02:25:35,760
grounds to dismiss it not to consider it

3594
02:25:39,349 --> 02:25:36,160
right

3595
02:25:43,190 --> 02:25:39,359
exactly and well you know

3596
02:25:46,550 --> 02:25:43,200
when um when i was very young

3597
02:25:47,830 --> 02:25:46,560
i would uh uh i think most this was in

3598
02:25:49,590 --> 02:25:47,840
the 60s

3599
02:25:51,270 --> 02:25:49,600
most kids in the united states did this

3600
02:25:51,990 --> 02:25:51,280
in in schools across the country go to

3601
02:25:54,070 --> 02:25:52,000
library

3602
02:25:56,309 --> 02:25:54,080
put on headphones and we'd listen to

3603
02:25:58,630 --> 02:25:56,319
stories of being told

3604
02:26:00,389 --> 02:25:58,640
and with the picture book and a lot of

3605
02:26:03,830 --> 02:26:00,399
these were biblical stories

3606
02:26:07,590 --> 02:26:03,840
and when it came to moses

3607
02:26:11,030 --> 02:26:07,600
and the communication and i would always

3608
02:26:14,790 --> 02:26:11,040
picture this in my mind i didn't picture

3609
02:26:18,070 --> 02:26:14,800
angels or the voice of god i didn't

3610
02:26:18,870 --> 02:26:18,080
i always thought e.t i always had a

3611
02:26:23,670 --> 02:26:18,880
different

3612
02:26:25,910 --> 02:26:23,680
now with ancient aliens or the

3613
02:26:29,349 --> 02:26:25,920
conversations you know where this has

3614
02:26:31,590 --> 02:26:29,359
become a bit more pop culture but that's

3615
02:26:35,110 --> 02:26:31,600
the way i pictured it growing up

3616
02:26:36,710 --> 02:26:35,120
but yet nobody from the academic field

3617
02:26:39,030 --> 02:26:36,720
wants to consider this

3618
02:26:40,790 --> 02:26:39,040
but when you look at it in its most

3619
02:26:44,389 --> 02:26:40,800
elemental broken down

3620
02:26:47,190 --> 02:26:44,399
form that's what was going on laird

3621
02:26:47,990 --> 02:26:47,200
right i mean there's every reason to at

3622
02:26:50,230 --> 02:26:48,000
least entertain

3623
02:26:51,349 --> 02:26:50,240
the idea that's what was going on and

3624
02:26:53,670 --> 02:26:51,359
see where it leads

3625
02:26:54,950 --> 02:26:53,680
and that's that's where i see academics

3626
02:26:57,990 --> 02:26:54,960
traditionally falling down

3627
02:26:59,270 --> 02:26:58,000
is not even being willing to entertain

3628
02:27:01,990 --> 02:26:59,280
the idea because

3629
02:27:03,590 --> 02:27:02,000
their impression from the outset is it

3630
02:27:04,710 --> 02:27:03,600
won't lead any place that they can

3631
02:27:06,710 --> 02:27:04,720
endorse

3632
02:27:08,070 --> 02:27:06,720
are the dogan the only one that didn't

3633
02:27:11,429 --> 02:27:08,080
call their teachers

3634
02:27:14,550 --> 02:27:11,439
angels the the dogan had the

3635
02:27:16,950 --> 02:27:14,560
sense of mind presence of mind to ask

3636
02:27:18,790 --> 02:27:16,960
their teachers if they were god

3637
02:27:20,309 --> 02:27:18,800
and the teachers the teachers said no

3638
02:27:22,870 --> 02:27:20,319
we're not god

3639
02:27:24,389 --> 02:27:22,880
but if it makes you feel better or if it

3640
02:27:26,710 --> 02:27:24,399
helps you to think of us as

3641
02:27:28,309 --> 02:27:26,720
agents of god then that's fine you can

3642
02:27:31,030 --> 02:27:28,319
think of us that way

3643
02:27:32,309 --> 02:27:31,040
how are the dogan doing today those are

3644
02:27:34,230 --> 02:27:32,319
doing great they're about three hundred

3645
02:27:37,270 --> 02:27:34,240
thousand dogan tribes people

3646
02:27:38,230 --> 02:27:37,280
who live in villages um all along a

3647
02:27:40,469 --> 02:27:38,240
remote area

3648
02:27:41,670 --> 02:27:40,479
of mali towards the south of malayalam

3649
02:27:43,910 --> 02:27:41,680
mostly along

3650
02:27:44,950 --> 02:27:43,920
uh an escarpment called the bandiag

3651
02:27:49,590 --> 02:27:44,960
garesca

3652
02:27:52,870 --> 02:27:49,600
escarpment they eat out a living as

3653
02:27:57,190 --> 02:27:52,880
onion farmers and as artists

3654
02:28:00,550 --> 02:27:57,200
and have it as a societal imperative to

3655
02:28:00,870 --> 02:28:00,560
to preserve um these words and symbols

3656
02:28:11,030 --> 02:28:00,880
in

3657
02:28:12,469 --> 02:28:11,040
yes the there's the pressure of of

3658
02:28:15,270 --> 02:28:12,479
encroaching uh you know

3659
02:28:16,550 --> 02:28:15,280
western type society sure um which i'm

3660
02:28:17,910 --> 02:28:16,560
sure becomes more and more

3661
02:28:20,309 --> 02:28:17,920
of a difficulty for them because they do

3662
02:28:22,150 --> 02:28:20,319
interact with with

3663
02:28:23,510 --> 02:28:22,160
people of more western civilized

3664
02:28:26,389 --> 02:28:23,520
perspectives

3665
02:28:27,990 --> 02:28:26,399
but the the tribal imperative is

3666
02:28:30,070 --> 02:28:28,000
preserve this stuff

3667
02:28:32,150 --> 02:28:30,080
laird thank you so much and give my best

3668
02:28:33,990 --> 02:28:32,160
to risa she's the best man

3669
02:28:36,150 --> 02:28:34,000
i will thank you very much she keeps you

3670
02:28:40,070 --> 02:28:36,160
in line and i look forward keep us

3671
02:28:42,070 --> 02:28:40,080
keep us posted okay okay and uh

3672
02:28:44,469 --> 02:28:42,080
eventually we're gonna get behind this

3673
02:28:47,030 --> 02:28:44,479
uh crazy year of 2020

3674
02:28:47,750 --> 02:28:47,040
and uh we're gonna have a rock in 2021.

3675
02:28:50,550 --> 02:28:47,760
thank you so much

3676
02:28:51,190 --> 02:28:50,560
laird thanks a lot jimmy you're the best

3677
02:28:53,910 --> 02:28:51,200
laird

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02:28:56,790 --> 02:28:53,920
scranton and inner traditions.com we've

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02:28:59,030 --> 02:28:56,800
got the links for all of laird's books

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right there over at jimmychurchradio.com

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02:29:02,950 --> 02:29:00,080
laird scranton what an

3682
02:29:03,910 --> 02:29:02,960
incredible conversation and not to let

3683
02:29:06,790 --> 02:29:03,920
fader night

3684
02:29:11,670 --> 02:29:06,800
go okay so for all of you out there i

3685
02:29:13,990 --> 02:29:11,680
will open up the phone line 747-228-2051

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02:29:15,670 --> 02:29:14,000
we'll get a quick taste of fader night

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02:29:33,349 --> 02:29:15,680
when we come back after this short break

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[Music]

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02:33:17,270 --> 02:33:14,560
all right welcome back fade to black our

3773
02:33:19,750 --> 02:33:17,280
last night of the week

3774
02:33:20,469 --> 02:33:19,760
egypt week night for laird scranton

3775
02:33:24,469 --> 02:33:20,479
incredible

3776
02:33:26,630 --> 02:33:24,479
sat down

3777
02:33:27,990 --> 02:33:26,640
and i noticed that uh i had uh the

3778
02:33:30,469 --> 02:33:28,000
phones all shut off

3779
02:33:31,910 --> 02:33:30,479
and one two three four five six seven

3780
02:33:34,950 --> 02:33:31,920
eight missed calls

3781
02:33:37,270 --> 02:33:34,960
i apologize for that it is now

3782
02:33:38,150 --> 02:33:37,280
open phone lines are open seven four

3783
02:33:40,070 --> 02:33:38,160
seven

3784
02:33:41,830 --> 02:33:40,080
two two eight two zero five when i

3785
02:33:44,870 --> 02:33:41,840
apologize for that

3786
02:33:45,830 --> 02:33:44,880
it's uh it's just you know i'm not

3787
02:33:49,349 --> 02:33:45,840
thinking

3788
02:33:52,710 --> 02:33:49,359
but uh 747-22820

3789
02:33:57,670 --> 02:33:52,720
um egypt for me

3790
02:34:01,190 --> 02:34:00,389
it's the one thing that's in front of us

3791
02:34:04,230 --> 02:34:01,200
where

3792
02:34:07,270 --> 02:34:04,240
we can go we can visit we can study

3793
02:34:08,550 --> 02:34:07,280
we can see what is built we we know that

3794
02:34:11,030 --> 02:34:08,560
it is there

3795
02:34:12,790 --> 02:34:11,040
we know this other questions you know

3796
02:34:14,630 --> 02:34:12,800
going back a hundred thousand years two

3797
02:34:15,990 --> 02:34:14,640
hundred thousand years at the beginning

3798
02:34:18,070 --> 02:34:16,000
of homo sapiens sapien

3799
02:34:21,349 --> 02:34:18,080
and and all of these things we can't go

3800
02:34:23,590 --> 02:34:21,359
and and and visit those sites

3801
02:34:24,710 --> 02:34:23,600
we or if if there were any we we can't

3802
02:34:28,389 --> 02:34:24,720
do that

3803
02:34:32,230 --> 02:34:28,399
egypt is right there and even if we go

3804
02:34:34,469 --> 02:34:32,240
with uh mesopotamia and ancient sumer

3805
02:34:35,349 --> 02:34:34,479
and the devastation that has happened

3806
02:34:38,630 --> 02:34:35,359
with uh

3807
02:34:41,349 --> 02:34:38,640
iraq and and the

3808
02:34:42,790 --> 02:34:41,359
the wars and war that continues uh to

3809
02:34:44,950 --> 02:34:42,800
happen over there

3810
02:34:47,349 --> 02:34:44,960
um some of those sites were preserved

3811
02:34:48,790 --> 02:34:47,359
sure right they weren't bombed

3812
02:34:50,630 --> 02:34:48,800
but it's not a place where we can just

3813
02:34:54,550 --> 02:34:50,640
go and visit

3814
02:34:57,990 --> 02:34:54,560
egypt we can it's a different situation

3815
02:34:59,510 --> 02:34:58,000
egypt because of not only

3816
02:35:01,349 --> 02:34:59,520
the different persian kings and of

3817
02:35:04,230 --> 02:35:01,359
course greek and rome

3818
02:35:04,950 --> 02:35:04,240
uh going in and documenting and and

3819
02:35:07,990 --> 02:35:04,960
plato

3820
02:35:11,030 --> 02:35:08,000
and herodocus and uh herodotus and

3821
02:35:13,750 --> 02:35:11,040
and the documentation that is there

3822
02:35:15,429 --> 02:35:13,760
but then we have later things like the

3823
02:35:18,469 --> 02:35:15,439
french and napoleon

3824
02:35:21,590 --> 02:35:18,479
and the different british uh

3825
02:35:24,630 --> 02:35:21,600
uh archaeologists that were going down

3826
02:35:27,270 --> 02:35:24,640
uh adventurers uh

3827
02:35:29,270 --> 02:35:27,280
and italy and the italians that were

3828
02:35:30,469 --> 02:35:29,280
going in modern times throughout the

3829
02:35:33,190 --> 02:35:30,479
1800s uh

3830
02:35:34,469 --> 02:35:33,200
through uh the early 1900s that were

3831
02:35:37,349 --> 02:35:34,479
traveling to egypt

3832
02:35:37,910 --> 02:35:37,359
it was right there in front of us it's

3833
02:35:39,910 --> 02:35:37,920
right there

3834
02:35:42,469 --> 02:35:39,920
it is a different situation different

3835
02:35:46,309 --> 02:35:42,479
than anything else on this planet

3836
02:35:48,710 --> 02:35:46,319
and the reasons why i say that um

3837
02:35:49,670 --> 02:35:48,720
in my opening statements today uh

3838
02:35:53,429 --> 02:35:49,680
talking about

3839
02:35:55,349 --> 02:35:53,439
greece um and and so many people go well

3840
02:35:55,750 --> 02:35:55,359
yeah it's egypt and greece then rome and

3841
02:35:59,349 --> 02:35:55,760
then

3842
02:36:03,590 --> 02:35:59,359
you know the humanity happened greece

3843
02:36:05,590 --> 02:36:03,600
was uh 2 000 years after

3844
02:36:06,630 --> 02:36:05,600
right this we're talking about a huge

3845
02:36:09,750 --> 02:36:06,640
amount of time

3846
02:36:11,670 --> 02:36:09,760
we can go to athens right now yes and i

3847
02:36:13,830 --> 02:36:11,680
get that we can go there we can go to

3848
02:36:14,230 --> 02:36:13,840
rome and we can see the sights and we

3849
02:36:20,830 --> 02:36:14,240
can

3850
02:36:23,910 --> 02:36:20,840
you go and see these sites that's modern

3851
02:36:27,910 --> 02:36:23,920
history as old as it is

3852
02:36:31,750 --> 02:36:27,920
it's still only 2 000 years old or less

3853
02:36:34,790 --> 02:36:31,760
that's modern history it's modern

3854
02:36:37,349 --> 02:36:34,800
egypt is a different situation where

3855
02:36:38,389 --> 02:36:37,359
these sites and these temples are spread

3856
02:36:42,990 --> 02:36:38,399
out all over

3857
02:36:46,309 --> 02:36:43,000
egypt going back 3 000 years 2700 years

3858
02:36:49,429 --> 02:36:46,319
2600 years if you follow

3859
02:36:51,670 --> 02:36:49,439
the timeline by egyptologists

3860
02:36:54,309 --> 02:36:51,680
you know and and the the decline

3861
02:36:58,389 --> 02:36:54,319
happened at around 1500 bc

3862
02:37:01,910 --> 02:36:58,399
but there is a 1500 year period

3863
02:37:05,389 --> 02:37:01,920
of magic it's crazy to me crazy

3864
02:37:07,110 --> 02:37:05,399
all right taking your phone call

3865
02:37:10,910 --> 02:37:07,120
747-228-2051

3866
02:37:12,710 --> 02:37:10,920
uh where are the phones where the phone

3867
02:37:14,309 --> 02:37:12,720
747-228-2051

3868
02:37:16,710 --> 02:37:14,319
and when i don't see the phone lines

3869
02:37:20,550 --> 02:37:16,720
lighting up i'm wondering if it's me

3870
02:37:21,990 --> 02:37:20,560
seven 747-228-2051 this is our last

3871
02:37:24,309 --> 02:37:22,000
chance for fader night

3872
02:37:28,710 --> 02:37:24,319
thursday night before we head into the

3873
02:37:32,150 --> 02:37:28,720
weekend 747-228-2051

3874
02:37:33,910 --> 02:37:32,160
um i want to go back before the phone

3875
02:37:36,630 --> 02:37:33,920
calls start coming in

3876
02:37:37,510 --> 02:37:36,640
i want to go back to this point that i

3877
02:37:40,070 --> 02:37:37,520
was making

3878
02:37:41,270 --> 02:37:40,080
at the very beginning of the show that

3879
02:37:45,590 --> 02:37:41,280
every time

3880
02:37:46,550 --> 02:37:45,600
i go through uh in egypt week here on

3881
02:37:50,070 --> 02:37:46,560
fade to black

3882
02:37:53,190 --> 02:37:50,080
i come back to the same thought

3883
02:37:57,030 --> 02:37:53,200
every single time what if

3884
02:38:03,910 --> 02:37:57,040
egypt continued

3885
02:38:08,150 --> 02:38:03,920
i i i there there's evidence

3886
02:38:10,950 --> 02:38:08,160
if we go to uh some of the things

3887
02:38:11,510 --> 02:38:10,960
like uh and i'm being very serious about

3888
02:38:13,910 --> 02:38:11,520
this

3889
02:38:16,110 --> 02:38:13,920
not only the baghdad battery but i think

3890
02:38:19,030 --> 02:38:16,120
there is evidence of

3891
02:38:19,750 --> 02:38:19,040
electroplating going on that there is a

3892
02:38:23,830 --> 02:38:19,760
knowledge

3893
02:38:24,710 --> 02:38:23,840
of right and uh what the pyramids may be

3894
02:38:27,990 --> 02:38:24,720
used for but

3895
02:38:31,349 --> 02:38:28,000
an advanced technology there it

3896
02:38:35,910 --> 02:38:31,359
it it seems to have happened

3897
02:38:39,110 --> 02:38:35,920
so when i say that today today right now

3898
02:38:41,030 --> 02:38:39,120
we are on the brink of some very big

3899
02:38:42,710 --> 02:38:41,040
things we can study the stars in the

3900
02:38:44,790 --> 02:38:42,720
universe and down to

3901
02:38:46,630 --> 02:38:44,800
quantum physics and what is going on at

3902
02:38:50,870 --> 02:38:46,640
the very smallest

3903
02:38:53,429 --> 02:38:50,880
uh uh matter and particles

3904
02:38:54,550 --> 02:38:53,439
we are on the very brink of that of of

3905
02:38:57,910 --> 02:38:54,560
anti-aging

3906
02:39:00,630 --> 02:38:57,920
and diseases and health and science and

3907
02:39:01,030 --> 02:39:00,640
and not only with biology and chemistry

3908
02:39:04,710 --> 02:39:01,040
but

3909
02:39:07,750 --> 02:39:04,720
with uh energy systems and and things

3910
02:39:10,950 --> 02:39:07,760
we are right on the brink of of

3911
02:39:14,070 --> 02:39:10,960
understanding these things right now

3912
02:39:17,110 --> 02:39:14,080
egypt was in the same position

3913
02:39:20,550 --> 02:39:17,120
and i can say that because our

3914
02:39:23,990 --> 02:39:20,560
section of knowledge modern science

3915
02:39:26,150 --> 02:39:24,000
modern science isn't but 300

3916
02:39:29,190 --> 02:39:26,160
years old and when you go back to the

3917
02:39:30,790 --> 02:39:29,200
renaissance to the 1400s in the 1500s

3918
02:39:33,590 --> 02:39:30,800
500 years ago

3919
02:39:35,190 --> 02:39:33,600
galileo and copernicus and da vinci and

3920
02:39:37,349 --> 02:39:35,200
these things that were happening during

3921
02:39:40,469 --> 02:39:37,359
the renaissance

3922
02:39:40,950 --> 02:39:40,479
a great time to be sure but it wasn't

3923
02:39:44,710 --> 02:39:40,960
until

3924
02:39:45,910 --> 02:39:44,720
isaac newton and those ideas of physics

3925
02:39:48,309 --> 02:39:45,920
and gravity

3926
02:39:49,830 --> 02:39:48,319
where modern science started and then

3927
02:39:53,030 --> 02:39:49,840
we've got to push everything

3928
02:39:55,750 --> 02:39:53,040
up to today and that is the last 200

3929
02:39:59,030 --> 02:39:55,760
years the last 150 years

3930
02:40:03,510 --> 02:39:59,040
right that egypt was

3931
02:40:06,550 --> 02:40:03,520
in that same position at 1500 bc

3932
02:40:10,070 --> 02:40:06,560
the same position we are at now

3933
02:40:13,030 --> 02:40:10,080
and and when i have these conversations

3934
02:40:14,309 --> 02:40:13,040
with people and they immediately go how

3935
02:40:17,429 --> 02:40:14,319
how can you say that

3936
02:40:18,710 --> 02:40:17,439
because we did so much no i can say that

3937
02:40:23,030 --> 02:40:18,720
because

3938
02:40:27,269 --> 02:40:23,040
a hundred years ago 120 years ago

3939
02:40:31,429 --> 02:40:27,279
1900 120 years ago

3940
02:40:39,269 --> 02:40:35,910
horses and covered wagons 150 years ago

3941
02:40:42,389 --> 02:40:39,279
it was still candles our

3942
02:40:45,429 --> 02:40:42,399
our big achievement was

3943
02:40:47,750 --> 02:40:45,439
fire in the steam engine

3944
02:40:48,710 --> 02:40:47,760
and locomotives and trains wait you know

3945
02:40:52,710 --> 02:40:48,720
what

3946
02:40:52,720 --> 02:40:58,710
they had they had that at 500 bc

3947
02:41:06,630 --> 02:41:02,950
they were i'm i'm serious about this

3948
02:41:08,790 --> 02:41:06,640
the the concepts of of electricity and

3949
02:41:09,349 --> 02:41:08,800
steam engines and propulsion and all of

3950
02:41:14,790 --> 02:41:09,359
the

3951
02:41:16,950 --> 02:41:14,800
we happened to hit this magical period

3952
02:41:18,469 --> 02:41:16,960
of the last 300 years where we made

3953
02:41:21,990 --> 02:41:18,479
these grand advances

3954
02:41:24,469 --> 02:41:22,000
but egypt was right there to

3955
02:41:25,190 --> 02:41:24,479
hand it off to greece and hand it off to

3956
02:41:27,670 --> 02:41:25,200
rome and

3957
02:41:28,830 --> 02:41:27,680
some of these things are mechanics and

3958
02:41:31,750 --> 02:41:28,840
of

3959
02:41:36,630 --> 02:41:31,760
uh gears

3960
02:41:40,230 --> 02:41:36,640
clocks time all of this was handed off

3961
02:41:42,630 --> 02:41:40,240
these concepts calendars

3962
02:41:43,429 --> 02:41:42,640
and time and things they were already

3963
02:41:45,830 --> 02:41:43,439
there

3964
02:41:46,950 --> 02:41:45,840
math and chemistry they were already

3965
02:41:50,070 --> 02:41:46,960
there

3966
02:41:52,630 --> 02:41:50,080
metallurgy look look at what

3967
02:41:54,630 --> 02:41:52,640
egypt was doing when it came to metals

3968
02:41:57,830 --> 02:41:54,640
look what they did with gold

3969
02:42:01,590 --> 02:41:57,840
all of this was already happening so

3970
02:42:02,710 --> 02:42:01,600
yes i just often wonder what would have

3971
02:42:06,150 --> 02:42:02,720
happened

3972
02:42:07,190 --> 02:42:06,160
if egypt wasn't invaded time after time

3973
02:42:10,230 --> 02:42:07,200
again

3974
02:42:11,429 --> 02:42:10,240
where their progress into these concepts

3975
02:42:15,830 --> 02:42:11,439
because they allowed

3976
02:42:19,030 --> 02:42:15,840
their brain to run free for 1500 years

3977
02:42:21,110 --> 02:42:19,040
one of the things with akhenaten up to

3978
02:42:24,950 --> 02:42:21,120
that point

3979
02:42:28,150 --> 02:42:24,960
egypt's society was based on

3980
02:42:31,349 --> 02:42:28,160
uh was not based on

3981
02:42:32,150 --> 02:42:31,359
war was not based on invasion it was

3982
02:42:35,429 --> 02:42:32,160
based on

3983
02:42:38,870 --> 02:42:35,439
the self and growing

3984
02:42:41,269 --> 02:42:38,880
as as a person artistically

3985
02:42:42,309 --> 02:42:41,279
mathematically as a government with

3986
02:42:45,269 --> 02:42:42,319
religions

3987
02:42:46,469 --> 02:42:45,279
but making society better they weren't

3988
02:42:48,630 --> 02:42:46,479
worried about

3989
02:42:50,550 --> 02:42:48,640
invading another country and building up

3990
02:42:53,670 --> 02:42:50,560
huge armies and wasting

3991
02:42:56,630 --> 02:42:53,680
time and effort and money

3992
02:42:57,830 --> 02:42:56,640
on that they were not they were not it

3993
02:43:01,110 --> 02:42:57,840
was a different thing

3994
02:43:04,230 --> 02:43:01,120
and if they hadn't been invaded their

3995
02:43:05,510 --> 02:43:04,240
uh the misdirection of their growth

3996
02:43:08,710 --> 02:43:05,520
wouldn't have happened and they would

3997
02:43:11,750 --> 02:43:08,720
have stayed right there so yes

3998
02:43:14,150 --> 02:43:11,760
what would have happened if egypt wasn't

3999
02:43:17,590 --> 02:43:14,160
invaded

4000
02:43:21,030 --> 02:43:17,600
the decline happened at 1500 bc the

4001
02:43:22,790 --> 02:43:21,040
uh the other argument that is there

4002
02:43:25,590 --> 02:43:22,800
which i don't understand and i keep

4003
02:43:28,630 --> 02:43:25,600
hearing it uh time and time again

4004
02:43:33,510 --> 02:43:28,640
which is the thing that is

4005
02:43:36,870 --> 02:43:33,520
ignored is that what we have here

4006
02:43:37,750 --> 02:43:36,880
mesopotamia was different

4007
02:43:39,910 --> 02:43:37,760
there was different there was a

4008
02:43:41,349 --> 02:43:39,920
crossroads there where there was a lot

4009
02:43:43,590 --> 02:43:41,359
of different cultures coming through a

4010
02:43:46,950 --> 02:43:43,600
lot of trade a lot of different ideas

4011
02:43:48,469 --> 02:43:46,960
egypt was on its own egypt was

4012
02:43:51,750 --> 02:43:48,479
completely singular

4013
02:43:53,349 --> 02:43:51,760
out there the sahara desert egypt was on

4014
02:43:56,790 --> 02:43:53,359
its own

4015
02:43:59,990 --> 02:43:56,800
and suddenly out of the desert

4016
02:44:01,990 --> 02:44:00,000
we had a complete society

4017
02:44:03,190 --> 02:44:02,000
and i'm talking about the concept of of

4018
02:44:06,710 --> 02:44:03,200
governments

4019
02:44:10,790 --> 02:44:06,720
of agriculture of religion

4020
02:44:17,830 --> 02:44:14,469
chemistry science

4021
02:44:22,309 --> 02:44:17,840
math the building of roads

4022
02:44:25,590 --> 02:44:22,319
engineering everything was right there

4023
02:44:27,670 --> 02:44:25,600
overnight overnight

4024
02:44:28,950 --> 02:44:27,680
and that is ignored it's just like well

4025
02:44:33,349 --> 02:44:28,960
it happened

4026
02:44:36,469 --> 02:44:33,359
is going to say that is what a

4027
02:44:36,950 --> 02:44:36,479
historian is going to say yeah yeah yeah

4028
02:44:40,950 --> 02:44:36,960
okay

4029
02:44:44,950 --> 02:44:40,960
i i hear you but but it just happened

4030
02:44:46,309 --> 02:44:44,960
no it had to have been taught and came

4031
02:44:48,230 --> 02:44:46,319
from somewhere it

4032
02:44:50,070 --> 02:44:48,240
there is no other way to look at it and

4033
02:44:52,630 --> 02:44:50,080
that's why laird's research

4034
02:44:55,269 --> 02:44:52,640
is so important so i keep driving this

4035
02:44:57,510 --> 02:44:55,279
home but after a week of shows like this

4036
02:44:58,389 --> 02:44:57,520
i come right back to the same point

4037
02:45:00,150 --> 02:44:58,399
every time

4038
02:45:03,830 --> 02:45:00,160
let's go to the phones how you're live

4039
02:45:09,670 --> 02:45:07,269
hello yes you're live

4040
02:45:12,150 --> 02:45:09,680
oh hello my name is casey how are you hi

4041
02:45:14,150 --> 02:45:12,160
casey where are you calling from

4042
02:45:15,990 --> 02:45:14,160
virginia all right what's on your mind

4043
02:45:18,150 --> 02:45:16,000
tonight

4044
02:45:19,190 --> 02:45:18,160
well i just uh i really enjoyed larry

4045
02:45:21,910 --> 02:45:19,200
scranton i have

4046
02:45:23,750 --> 02:45:21,920
his uh books and i didn't realize one of

4047
02:45:25,110 --> 02:45:23,760
them was a textbook and when i was going

4048
02:45:27,030 --> 02:45:25,120
through it it was like wow this thing

4049
02:45:30,790 --> 02:45:27,040
really reads like a textbook

4050
02:45:33,990 --> 02:45:30,800
that's right that's right very silly

4051
02:45:35,349 --> 02:45:34,000
would you would you yeah would you

4052
02:45:37,429 --> 02:45:35,359
what'd you think of the conversation

4053
02:45:40,150 --> 02:45:37,439
tonight

4054
02:45:40,630 --> 02:45:40,160
oh it was really great um i would like

4055
02:45:43,030 --> 02:45:40,640
to

4056
02:45:46,150 --> 02:45:43,040
i'm warm on the the technical side where

4057
02:45:48,230 --> 02:45:46,160
i got into his book about the part of

4058
02:45:49,510 --> 02:45:48,240
the world the symbols have multiple

4059
02:45:52,150 --> 02:45:49,520
meanings and

4060
02:45:53,670 --> 02:45:52,160
that you can have a top-level meaning

4061
02:45:56,070 --> 02:45:53,680
but then you can go deep and really go

4062
02:45:59,750 --> 02:45:56,080
into a scientific explanation

4063
02:46:02,710 --> 02:45:59,760
of different types of

4064
02:46:04,389 --> 02:46:02,720
atoms and matter and more how it works

4065
02:46:05,590 --> 02:46:04,399
underneath

4066
02:46:08,790 --> 02:46:05,600
yeah that's one of the things i

4067
02:46:11,349 --> 02:46:08,800
appreciate so much about laird

4068
02:46:13,190 --> 02:46:11,359
we can and there's nothing you know we

4069
02:46:16,389 --> 02:46:13,200
have to listen to everybody right

4070
02:46:18,710 --> 02:46:16,399
and and i appreciate uh other

4071
02:46:21,750 --> 02:46:18,720
researchers and how they approach things

4072
02:46:25,030 --> 02:46:21,760
but i like i like the science part

4073
02:46:25,510 --> 02:46:25,040
like you right and i get that from laird

4074
02:46:28,309 --> 02:46:25,520
he is

4075
02:46:29,510 --> 02:46:28,319
able to go in that direction and he's

4076
02:46:31,910 --> 02:46:29,520
one of the

4077
02:46:32,870 --> 02:46:31,920
few researchers out there that chooses

4078
02:46:35,510 --> 02:46:32,880
to go

4079
02:46:38,389 --> 02:46:35,520
uh directly at the hard science be and

4080
02:46:41,910 --> 02:46:38,399
one of the reasons why casey is

4081
02:46:44,710 --> 02:46:41,920
when tackling a subject like

4082
02:46:46,469 --> 02:46:44,720
the dogan understood atoms and particles

4083
02:46:48,469 --> 02:46:46,479
at the quantum level

4084
02:46:49,830 --> 02:46:48,479
well you know what that take that's a

4085
02:46:53,510 --> 02:46:49,840
that's a bold

4086
02:46:54,710 --> 02:46:53,520
thing to say but laird is is not scared

4087
02:46:56,790 --> 02:46:54,720
of the challenge

4088
02:46:57,990 --> 02:46:56,800
because that's where the research has

4089
02:47:02,469 --> 02:46:58,000
taken him

4090
02:47:06,230 --> 02:47:04,950
oh yes i'm looking forward to to his

4091
02:47:08,070 --> 02:47:06,240
next book the matter of fact i have to

4092
02:47:10,230 --> 02:47:08,080
go back and repurchase his other books

4093
02:47:12,790 --> 02:47:10,240
because i lost them

4094
02:47:14,230 --> 02:47:12,800
uh when i moved well let me ask i

4095
02:47:15,910 --> 02:47:14,240
couldn't it was so frustrating i

4096
02:47:18,950 --> 02:47:15,920
couldn't even go back and open the books

4097
02:47:26,630 --> 02:47:22,710
well let me let me ask you this are you

4098
02:47:30,389 --> 02:47:26,640
um are you okay

4099
02:47:34,309 --> 02:47:30,399
with this type of discussion

4100
02:47:37,590 --> 02:47:34,319
where there was probably

4101
02:47:38,630 --> 02:47:37,600
one central point of knowledge and

4102
02:47:41,030 --> 02:47:38,640
teacher

4103
02:47:42,870 --> 02:47:41,040
and then everything funneled down from

4104
02:47:44,469 --> 02:47:42,880
there and he keeps going back to go

4105
02:47:45,990 --> 02:47:44,479
backly tepee and i think there's a lot

4106
02:47:48,070 --> 02:47:46,000
to be said about that

4107
02:47:49,830 --> 02:47:48,080
but but are you okay with that that

4108
02:47:51,670 --> 02:47:49,840
there was one teacher

4109
02:47:53,349 --> 02:47:51,680
and then that trickled down through the

4110
02:47:55,510 --> 02:47:53,359
different cultures uh throughout the

4111
02:47:57,750 --> 02:47:55,520
world

4112
02:47:59,990 --> 02:47:57,760
yeah i think so because it's these

4113
02:48:00,950 --> 02:48:00,000
concepts keep surfacing again and again

4114
02:48:04,790 --> 02:48:00,960
and

4115
02:48:06,950 --> 02:48:04,800
then uh we as humans it backslides

4116
02:48:08,389 --> 02:48:06,960
and then again you know once again these

4117
02:48:11,510 --> 02:48:08,399
mystery schools pop up

4118
02:48:13,190 --> 02:48:11,520
all over the world and they all have a

4119
02:48:17,269 --> 02:48:13,200
consistent knowledge in each of those

4120
02:48:20,790 --> 02:48:18,870
you know they're geared toward each

4121
02:48:22,389 --> 02:48:20,800
culture that they're in but the message

4122
02:48:24,870 --> 02:48:22,399
is the same

4123
02:48:27,750 --> 02:48:24,880
what do you uh where do you think we

4124
02:48:30,950 --> 02:48:27,760
would be today

4125
02:48:31,830 --> 02:48:30,960
if if egypt was allowed to uh have

4126
02:48:35,110 --> 02:48:31,840
continued

4127
02:48:38,870 --> 02:48:35,120
on their just amazing journey

4128
02:48:43,269 --> 02:48:38,880
and they were able to grow

4129
02:48:45,510 --> 02:48:43,279
after 1500 bc instead of the decline

4130
02:48:46,710 --> 02:48:45,520
well if we did not have the decline if

4131
02:48:50,309 --> 02:48:46,720
uh

4132
02:48:52,309 --> 02:48:50,319
if those good days were were there then

4133
02:48:55,110 --> 02:48:52,319
we as a planet we would have ascended by

4134
02:48:57,030 --> 02:48:55,120
now you think so i do

4135
02:48:58,309 --> 02:48:57,040
yeah we wouldn't even be here we would

4136
02:49:01,590 --> 02:48:58,319
be on

4137
02:49:03,910 --> 02:49:01,600
the next the next higher plane

4138
02:49:05,750 --> 02:49:03,920
of existence yeah we will be somewhere

4139
02:49:08,389 --> 02:49:05,760
colonizing the milky way

4140
02:49:10,469 --> 02:49:08,399
right now consciously thank you so much

4141
02:49:12,710 --> 02:49:10,479
casey and don't be a stranger i really

4142
02:49:15,269 --> 02:49:12,720
like first-time callers

4143
02:49:18,309 --> 02:49:15,279
yeah that was my first time calling yet

4144
02:49:19,990 --> 02:49:18,319
have a great night and go back lee tappy

4145
02:49:22,230 --> 02:49:20,000
go beckley's happy that's what i'm

4146
02:49:25,510 --> 02:49:22,240
talking about thank you that's casey

4147
02:49:29,110 --> 02:49:25,520
from virginia um yeah

4148
02:49:32,389 --> 02:49:29,120
if you've i i have followed laird now

4149
02:49:37,030 --> 02:49:32,399
i have followed laird since the

4150
02:49:40,550 --> 02:49:37,040
early 2000s uh maybe late 1990s

4151
02:49:41,269 --> 02:49:40,560
and i just appreciate the way that he

4152
02:49:44,790 --> 02:49:41,279
approaches

4153
02:49:46,309 --> 02:49:44,800
all of this uh casey's absolutely right

4154
02:49:48,790 --> 02:49:46,319
uh let's go back to the phones hi you're

4155
02:49:50,870 --> 02:49:48,800
live i'm fade to black who's calling

4156
02:49:52,230 --> 02:49:50,880
hi jimmy how's it going it's going good

4157
02:49:54,790 --> 02:49:52,240
who's this

4158
02:49:55,990 --> 02:49:54,800
oh this is a jack from i'm from

4159
02:50:02,389 --> 02:49:56,000
galveston

4160
02:50:03,990 --> 02:50:02,399
what's on your mind tonight jack well

4161
02:50:05,510 --> 02:50:04,000
i have an interesting story real quick

4162
02:50:07,190 --> 02:50:05,520
to tell you so i

4163
02:50:09,429 --> 02:50:07,200
i checked twitter to make sure my eyes

4164
02:50:12,230 --> 02:50:09,439
weren't deceiving me but i saw

4165
02:50:14,070 --> 02:50:12,240
this the craziest green discs just fly

4166
02:50:15,990 --> 02:50:14,080
across the sky

4167
02:50:18,150 --> 02:50:16,000
and the reason why i wanted to call is

4168
02:50:20,150 --> 02:50:18,160
because i've actually seen green

4169
02:50:21,590 --> 02:50:20,160
a green fireball before like the

4170
02:50:25,190 --> 02:50:21,600
asteroids

4171
02:50:27,349 --> 02:50:25,200
shoot across the sky yes this was unlike

4172
02:50:29,190 --> 02:50:27,359
meteor shooting stars anything and i'm

4173
02:50:31,349 --> 02:50:29,200
just stunned

4174
02:50:32,710 --> 02:50:31,359
what you're saying this was on twitter

4175
02:50:35,269 --> 02:50:32,720
tonight

4176
02:50:37,110 --> 02:50:35,279
i just saw it with my own eyes oh

4177
02:50:40,550 --> 02:50:37,120
twitter to make sure

4178
02:50:41,510 --> 02:50:40,560
oh i got you only one oh really okay i

4179
02:50:43,830 --> 02:50:41,520
haven't is

4180
02:50:45,590 --> 02:50:43,840
and and you saw this in galveston uh

4181
02:50:48,070 --> 02:50:45,600
what time

4182
02:50:49,429 --> 02:50:48,080
about uh five minutes ago oh five

4183
02:50:52,630 --> 02:50:49,439
minutes ago

4184
02:50:55,269 --> 02:50:52,640
so around uh are you guys central

4185
02:50:56,870 --> 02:50:55,279
in texas in galveston central i'm not i

4186
02:50:57,910 --> 02:50:56,880
don't want to take the ball of the rest

4187
02:50:59,429 --> 02:50:57,920
of the show i'm just

4188
02:51:00,870 --> 02:50:59,439
i figured maybe you know hopefully

4189
02:51:01,750 --> 02:51:00,880
that'll something will come out of that

4190
02:51:03,590 --> 02:51:01,760
yeah okay

4191
02:51:04,870 --> 02:51:03,600
well that's that's why you called in

4192
02:51:07,910 --> 02:51:04,880
jack so

4193
02:51:10,309 --> 02:51:07,920
everybody out there uh in the central

4194
02:51:12,790 --> 02:51:10,319
part of the country and certainly texas

4195
02:51:15,429 --> 02:51:12,800
did you see anything in the skies about

4196
02:51:21,030 --> 02:51:15,439
five minutes ago which would have been

4197
02:51:22,950 --> 02:51:21,040
11 45 about 11 45 right jack

4198
02:51:25,110 --> 02:51:22,960
yeah exactly okay thank you for the

4199
02:51:27,670 --> 02:51:25,120
phone call jack behave and be well

4200
02:51:28,790 --> 02:51:27,680
and go back late yeah you too thank you

4201
02:51:31,910 --> 02:51:28,800
so much

4202
02:51:33,750 --> 02:51:31,920
so a green disc was just sighted over

4203
02:51:37,830 --> 02:51:33,760
galveston texas

4204
02:51:41,190 --> 02:51:37,840
at 11 45 pm 15 minutes before

4205
02:51:44,309 --> 02:51:41,200
midnight it's 9 50 here

4206
02:51:44,710 --> 02:51:44,319
in los angeles in burbank did anybody

4207
02:51:47,750 --> 02:51:44,720
see

4208
02:51:51,510 --> 02:51:47,760
anything over galveston texas and now

4209
02:51:54,710 --> 02:51:51,520
jack describes it as a green

4210
02:51:57,750 --> 02:51:54,720
disk a green disk

4211
02:52:01,030 --> 02:51:57,760
over galveston absolutely incredible

4212
02:52:02,630 --> 02:52:01,040
that's you know this is the thing i know

4213
02:52:04,550 --> 02:52:02,640
how many people are listening to the

4214
02:52:07,910 --> 02:52:04,560
show from texas right now

4215
02:52:11,269 --> 02:52:07,920
probably inside and and not outside

4216
02:52:13,590 --> 02:52:11,279
but if you did see anything

4217
02:52:14,950 --> 02:52:13,600
and you're listening to this show later

4218
02:52:17,510 --> 02:52:14,960
uh shoot me an email

4219
02:52:17,990 --> 02:52:17,520
if you took a picture uh shoot me an

4220
02:52:21,030 --> 02:52:18,000
email

4221
02:52:23,269 --> 02:52:21,040
jimmy jimmychurchradio.com

4222
02:52:25,349 --> 02:52:23,279
i definitely want to hear from you thank

4223
02:52:29,030 --> 02:52:25,359
you for the phone call jack

4224
02:52:31,110 --> 02:52:29,040
wow okay so it's 9 50. and he said

4225
02:52:32,429 --> 02:52:31,120
it's about seven minutes ago so again

4226
02:52:36,469 --> 02:52:32,439
about

4227
02:52:41,030 --> 02:52:36,479
11 43 11 40 to 11

4228
02:52:47,670 --> 02:52:41,040
43 p.m in galveston texas did anybody

4229
02:52:50,630 --> 02:52:47,680
see anything there okay uh 747-228-2051

4230
02:52:52,309 --> 02:52:50,640
i've got uh time for uh one more phone

4231
02:52:55,750 --> 02:52:52,319
call before the end of the night

4232
02:52:59,590 --> 02:52:55,760
now okay so next week here on

4233
02:53:02,630 --> 02:52:59,600
fade to black we're going ufos

4234
02:53:04,550 --> 02:53:02,640
we're going e.t all week

4235
02:53:06,150 --> 02:53:04,560
next week on fade to black so you're not

4236
02:53:08,309 --> 02:53:06,160
going to want to miss that

4237
02:53:11,110 --> 02:53:08,319
and uh it's going to be a pretty

4238
02:53:12,550 --> 02:53:11,120
incredible monday tuesday and wednesday

4239
02:53:13,910 --> 02:53:12,560
here on the show let's go back to the

4240
02:53:16,150 --> 02:53:13,920
phones hi you're live on fade to black

4241
02:53:18,950 --> 02:53:16,160
who's calling

4242
02:53:19,910 --> 02:53:18,960
hi jimmy it's laura calling from south

4243
02:53:26,230 --> 02:53:19,920
dakota

4244
02:53:27,670 --> 02:53:26,240
really good how are you i'm doing good

4245
02:53:30,469 --> 02:53:27,680
it's uh thursday night

4246
02:53:32,950 --> 02:53:30,479
laird scranton egypt week it's all good

4247
02:53:34,630 --> 02:53:32,960
what's on your mind laura

4248
02:53:36,550 --> 02:53:34,640
well he was terrific i always loved to

4249
02:53:38,550 --> 02:53:36,560
hear laird and i was really interested

4250
02:53:42,309 --> 02:53:38,560
in his description

4251
02:53:46,070 --> 02:53:42,319
of the bags the purses that he

4252
02:53:49,030 --> 02:53:46,080
you know that are on um the um

4253
02:53:50,070 --> 02:53:49,040
columns at go beckley teppy right the

4254
02:53:53,429 --> 02:53:50,080
fact that

4255
02:53:56,070 --> 02:53:53,439
the square indicates material

4256
02:53:58,070 --> 02:53:56,080
growth is is that i wanted to get your

4257
02:54:01,670 --> 02:53:58,080
take on it

4258
02:54:04,230 --> 02:54:01,680
yeah i see this is the thing

4259
02:54:05,590 --> 02:54:04,240
and this is really the bottom line we

4260
02:54:08,630 --> 02:54:05,600
all perceive

4261
02:54:11,750 --> 02:54:08,640
things differently

4262
02:54:14,790 --> 02:54:11,760
our brain makes the connection we have

4263
02:54:18,870 --> 02:54:14,800
uh and certainly women right you

4264
02:54:20,630 --> 02:54:18,880
you grow up with purses so you have

4265
02:54:22,150 --> 02:54:20,640
immediately your brain is going to make

4266
02:54:25,190 --> 02:54:22,160
an association to something

4267
02:54:25,830 --> 02:54:25,200
when you see it visually right it's just

4268
02:54:27,910 --> 02:54:25,840
the way it is

4269
02:54:29,349 --> 02:54:27,920
you don't even have to know if it's

4270
02:54:30,790 --> 02:54:29,359
called a purse

4271
02:54:32,389 --> 02:54:30,800
but visually you're going to make the

4272
02:54:34,950 --> 02:54:32,399
connection to it right

4273
02:54:36,790 --> 02:54:34,960
and that's that's it i'm the same way

4274
02:54:40,150 --> 02:54:36,800
this is a modern society

4275
02:54:44,950 --> 02:54:40,160
that we are in so when i

4276
02:54:48,550 --> 02:54:44,960
see the different uh sumerian gods

4277
02:54:51,110 --> 02:54:48,560
um in mesopotamia all carrying purses

4278
02:54:53,110 --> 02:54:51,120
it makes you think of something

4279
02:54:56,630 --> 02:54:53,120
briefcases with men

4280
02:54:58,790 --> 02:54:56,640
spies workers going to work at ibm

4281
02:55:01,190 --> 02:54:58,800
carrying their briefcases and engineers

4282
02:55:02,550 --> 02:55:01,200
i think the president with this nuclear

4283
02:55:05,670 --> 02:55:02,560
briefcase

4284
02:55:06,790 --> 02:55:05,680
right we see this same thing over and

4285
02:55:09,830 --> 02:55:06,800
over again

4286
02:55:11,590 --> 02:55:09,840
well when gobekli tepe started the

4287
02:55:12,710 --> 02:55:11,600
surface and i'm looking at all of these

4288
02:55:16,309 --> 02:55:12,720
images

4289
02:55:19,429 --> 02:55:16,319
the first thing that popped into my head

4290
02:55:22,550 --> 02:55:19,439
is that those are purses there's

4291
02:55:25,830 --> 02:55:22,560
they are they're not purses right

4292
02:55:29,429 --> 02:55:25,840
briefcases but something to carry

4293
02:55:32,550 --> 02:55:29,439
something in when laird then

4294
02:55:37,429 --> 02:55:32,560
suggest well now look at

4295
02:55:39,670 --> 02:55:37,439
the set in egypt and look at the temple

4296
02:55:40,630 --> 02:55:39,680
portable temple too by the way that was

4297
02:55:42,469 --> 02:55:40,640
the key thing

4298
02:55:43,750 --> 02:55:42,479
right it's a portable temple it's made

4299
02:55:46,870 --> 02:55:43,760
out of wicker

4300
02:55:50,710 --> 02:55:46,880
it's not necessarily stone and

4301
02:55:52,790 --> 02:55:50,720
this goes back to 3000 bc or before

4302
02:55:55,349 --> 02:55:52,800
and you look at that and you're like

4303
02:55:58,230 --> 02:55:55,359
wait a minute aha

4304
02:55:58,550 --> 02:55:58,240
could that be the same thing but are

4305
02:56:01,910 --> 02:55:58,560
they

4306
02:56:03,190 --> 02:56:01,920
representing the same thing right a

4307
02:56:05,510 --> 02:56:03,200
purse

4308
02:56:07,269 --> 02:56:05,520
a briefcase carrying knowledge the

4309
02:56:10,550 --> 02:56:07,279
nuclear secrets right

4310
02:56:11,349 --> 02:56:10,560
carrying knowledge kings traveling

4311
02:56:14,469 --> 02:56:11,359
between

4312
02:56:18,150 --> 02:56:14,479
kingdoms carrying knowledge to

4313
02:56:20,230 --> 02:56:18,160
another kingdom maybe right

4314
02:56:22,870 --> 02:56:20,240
yes you know almost it's almost

4315
02:56:25,030 --> 02:56:22,880
reminiscent of the story of the

4316
02:56:26,309 --> 02:56:25,040
kings from the orient you know bearing

4317
02:56:28,389 --> 02:56:26,319
gifts that's right

4318
02:56:29,590 --> 02:56:28,399
same type of same thing same type of

4319
02:56:31,190 --> 02:56:29,600
thing and

4320
02:56:32,790 --> 02:56:31,200
and then if you look at that jim and you

4321
02:56:35,910 --> 02:56:32,800
think about that um that

4322
02:56:39,030 --> 02:56:35,920
shape you know if he's right about that

4323
02:56:40,150 --> 02:56:39,040
symbolism that square shape then ties

4324
02:56:43,429 --> 02:56:40,160
those men

4325
02:56:45,990 --> 02:56:43,439
to the world the material world

4326
02:56:47,670 --> 02:56:46,000
and not necessarily to the spiritual

4327
02:56:50,150 --> 02:56:47,680
world which he is

4328
02:56:50,710 --> 02:56:50,160
you know um i'm inclined to hear you

4329
02:56:52,870 --> 02:56:50,720
know or

4330
02:56:54,230 --> 02:56:52,880
after listening to him he's he's saying

4331
02:56:57,670 --> 02:56:54,240
that the round

4332
02:57:00,630 --> 02:56:57,680
shape has more to do with the spiritual

4333
02:57:01,750 --> 02:57:00,640
yeah the non-material i don't know yeah

4334
02:57:03,110 --> 02:57:01,760
the non-material

4335
02:57:05,110 --> 02:57:03,120
so i just thought it was really

4336
02:57:06,150 --> 02:57:05,120
fascinating that study he's made of that

4337
02:57:07,750 --> 02:57:06,160
symbology

4338
02:57:09,830 --> 02:57:07,760
yeah you know and you know what i've

4339
02:57:13,750 --> 02:57:09,840
said i've said this to laird

4340
02:57:17,429 --> 02:57:13,760
uh directly i don't know

4341
02:57:19,190 --> 02:57:17,439
how he manages to walk down a street

4342
02:57:21,510 --> 02:57:19,200
because he's gonna look at everything

4343
02:57:23,510 --> 02:57:21,520
right

4344
02:57:24,950 --> 02:57:23,520
he's going to look at things differently

4345
02:57:28,870 --> 02:57:24,960
yeah you know

4346
02:57:31,150 --> 02:57:28,880
and uh a car drives by him and he

4347
02:57:33,030 --> 02:57:31,160
the car tires remind him of a

4348
02:57:34,710 --> 02:57:33,040
non-materialistic connection

4349
02:57:36,070 --> 02:57:34,720
and the car is connecting to the

4350
02:57:38,950 --> 02:57:36,080
material he

4351
02:57:40,550 --> 02:57:38,960
thinks differently right how does he

4352
02:57:43,750 --> 02:57:40,560
manage to get through the day

4353
02:57:47,429 --> 02:57:43,760
i don't know i really don't

4354
02:57:53,429 --> 02:57:50,790
your idea about what would we be today

4355
02:57:54,469 --> 02:57:53,439
or what you know if uh egypt had

4356
02:57:58,070 --> 02:57:54,479
continued

4357
02:58:01,110 --> 02:57:58,080
don't you think they were you know a cat

4358
02:58:03,349 --> 02:58:01,120
it's almost as if their knowledge was

4359
02:58:04,070 --> 02:58:03,359
destroyed because it was too advanced i

4360
02:58:07,830 --> 02:58:04,080
know i know

4361
02:58:10,950 --> 02:58:07,840
i know there's no you can't escape that

4362
02:58:12,230 --> 02:58:10,960
yeah yeah you can't escape that bird why

4363
02:58:15,349 --> 02:58:12,240
would the romans

4364
02:58:18,710 --> 02:58:15,359
burn the the great library

4365
02:58:22,790 --> 02:58:18,720
at alexandria why would they do that why

4366
02:58:25,190 --> 02:58:22,800
because you know that was a society that

4367
02:58:26,790 --> 02:58:25,200
was learned in their own way they had

4368
02:58:31,110 --> 02:58:26,800
many many

4369
02:58:34,389 --> 02:58:31,120
uh um oh i can't think of an example

4370
02:58:37,990 --> 02:58:34,399
but like seneca for example yes yes

4371
02:58:38,550 --> 02:58:38,000
yes no yeah very and so why would they

4372
02:58:40,710 --> 02:58:38,560
do that

4373
02:58:43,269 --> 02:58:40,720
unless you know there was something that

4374
02:58:46,389 --> 02:58:43,279
was either so heretical or so dangerous

4375
02:58:50,230 --> 02:58:46,399
or i don't know well people don't

4376
02:58:53,590 --> 02:58:50,240
like especially uh other countries

4377
02:58:58,230 --> 02:58:53,600
they don't want people to

4378
02:59:01,030 --> 02:58:58,240
be free right and and alexandria

4379
02:59:01,670 --> 02:59:01,040
it was like okay the doors are open here

4380
02:59:07,510 --> 02:59:01,680
come on

4381
02:59:08,070 --> 02:59:07,520
everybody's welcome here let's share our

4382
02:59:10,230 --> 02:59:08,080
knowledge

4383
02:59:12,230 --> 02:59:10,240
let's write it down and let's teach each

4384
02:59:15,269 --> 02:59:12,240
other there's a lot of people

4385
02:59:17,110 --> 02:59:15,279
out there that don't like that

4386
02:59:18,790 --> 02:59:17,120
they don't they don't they want the

4387
02:59:20,950 --> 02:59:18,800
knowledge to themselves

4388
02:59:22,950 --> 02:59:20,960
and they don't want a free thinking

4389
02:59:24,230 --> 02:59:22,960
society like that because look where it

4390
02:59:26,950 --> 02:59:24,240
got egypt

4391
02:59:28,389 --> 02:59:26,960
you know it got them to uh unbelievable

4392
02:59:32,710 --> 02:59:28,399
magical uh

4393
02:59:34,630 --> 02:59:32,720
spot and getting ready to just take off

4394
02:59:36,469 --> 02:59:34,640
man they were close too i'm telling you

4395
02:59:38,150 --> 02:59:36,479
they they went to the edge of the cliff

4396
02:59:40,469 --> 02:59:38,160
and took a peek

4397
02:59:41,590 --> 02:59:40,479
they saw the future they did they were

4398
02:59:44,230 --> 02:59:41,600
right there

4399
02:59:45,429 --> 02:59:44,240
laura thank you so much and enjoy your

4400
02:59:47,110 --> 02:59:45,439
weekend and

4401
02:59:49,349 --> 02:59:47,120
and go back lee tappy thank you for the

4402
02:59:52,710 --> 02:59:49,359
phone call rock and roll

4403
02:59:53,269 --> 02:59:52,720
you guys go back lee dappy yeah thank

4404
02:59:54,870 --> 02:59:53,279
you laura

4405
02:59:56,309 --> 02:59:54,880
great phone call right there and with

4406
02:59:58,710 --> 02:59:56,319
that i'm going to get out of here i want

4407
03:00:00,630 --> 02:59:58,720
everybody to have a great safe fun

4408
03:00:03,269 --> 03:00:00,640
and amazing weekend we're going to be

4409
03:00:05,429 --> 03:00:03,279
working working on the h factor

4410
03:00:06,710 --> 03:00:05,439
all weekend to bring you uh the next

4411
03:00:09,349 --> 03:00:06,720
episodes on

4412
03:00:11,030 --> 03:00:09,359
sunday evening all right so everybody be

4413
03:00:13,510 --> 03:00:11,040
cool be fun have

4414
03:00:15,030 --> 03:00:13,520
have a great safe weekend fade to

4415
03:00:16,150 --> 03:00:15,040
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4416
03:00:18,469 --> 03:00:16,160
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4417
03:00:19,190 --> 03:00:18,479
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4418
03:00:21,830 --> 03:00:19,200
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4419
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4420
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4421
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4422
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4423
03:00:35,269 --> 03:00:33,750
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4424
03:00:38,389 --> 03:00:35,279
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4425
03:00:39,910 --> 03:00:38,399
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4426
03:00:41,750 --> 03:00:39,920
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4427
03:00:42,950 --> 03:00:41,760
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4428
03:00:44,790 --> 03:00:42,960
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4429
03:00:46,309 --> 03:00:44,800
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4430
03:00:47,030 --> 03:00:46,319
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4431
03:00:48,710 --> 03:00:47,040
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4432
03:00:50,469 --> 03:00:48,720
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4433
03:00:52,309 --> 03:00:50,479
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4434
03:00:54,469 --> 03:00:52,319
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4435
03:00:55,830 --> 03:00:54,479
everybody have a great weekend be safe

4436
03:01:06,570 --> 03:00:55,840
i'll see you on monday

4437
03:01:18,830 --> 03:01:06,580
it's ufo week be safe go back lee tappy

4438
03:01:32,830 --> 03:01:18,840
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4439
03:01:32,840 --> 03:01:36,560
so